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Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by ryanlol »

idlewords wrote: post #26
black-tea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, it's possible that he's lost his mind during the 7 years of imprisonment without trial.

He lives in a diplomatic compound that he is free to leave at any moment. He's gone without trial by choice. The real victims here are the poor Ecuadoran diplomatic staff, and his ex-cat. Oh, and his victims, of course.

>He lives in a diplomatic compound that he is free to leave at any moment

He will be arrested if he leaves. How is that particularly different from say HMP Prescoed?

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Post by A2017U1 »

jacobolus wrote: post #54
whamlastxmas wrote: post #34

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Someone let him sleep on their couch and then was upset he didn't move over when they passively used body language to suggest they wanted to sit there. The very concept that this is notable at all amongst the severity of everything else around this situation makes it pretty obvious to me it's just a smear. The dude is a slob so fuck em, let him rot in solitary for 30 years

If you’re going to live permanently as an un-paying guest in someone else’s building (in this case, the Ecuadorian embassy in London), it’s not a smart idea to be such “a slob” that your hosts are just waiting for an excuse to get rid of you and stop dealing with your bullshit. Similarly, if you are a miserable guest when staying temporarily at a string of friends’ houses, you won’t keep having friends for very long.

You say guest as though he can just walk out the door anytime in the last 7 years. Will his real hosts let him catch a plane to Ecuador?

Terrible analogy.

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Post by seba_dos1 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #101
sittingnut wrote: post #92

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Ad hominem attacks; refuge of the lost.

That's not an ad hominem, as the reports of his behavior as a guest are offered relevant to discussion of his behavior as a guest, not as dismissal of his claims to which that is irrelevant.

> as a guest

You can hardly feel as a guest anymore if you live somewhere for 7 years.

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Post by [deleted] »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #147
Pimpus wrote: post #138

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> Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Isnt "she" (he?) a trannie? I still support her, because whether I'm sympathetic of a person and their flaws is irrelevant.

I’m going to make the probably flawed assumption that you are commenting in good faith, and make you aware that this comment is not okay, for the following reasons: 1. It’s not relevant, 2. “Trannie” is a slur, 3. Pronouns should not be put in scare quotes.

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Re: Ecuador to Expel Assange Within ‘Hours to Days,’ WikiLeaks Says

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Post by wazoox »

idlewords wrote: post #24
whamlastxmas wrote: post #22

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Clearly propaganda, and there was only the single source that as we can clearly see now was adversarial.

Consistent with many descriptions of what it was like to have Assange on one's sofa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le3jrp6LzjI

The fact that he is an asshole is clearly unimportant compared to what he achieved as a whistleblower. Clearly, I don't give a damn and nobody should.

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Post by matt4077 »

A2017U1 wrote: post #162
jacobolus wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re going to live permanently as an un-paying guest in someone else’s building (in this case, the Ecuadorian embassy in London), it’s not a smart idea to be such “a slob” that your hosts are just waiting for an excuse to get rid of you and stop dealing with your bullshit. Similarly, if you are a miserable guest when staying temporarily at a string of friends’ houses, you won’t keep having friends for very long.

You say guest as though he can just walk out the door anytime in the last 7 years. Will his real hosts let him catch a plane to Ecuador? Terrible analogy.

Well, maybe he should not have also offended (in the law and the colloquial sense) his „real“ hosts.

It’s almost as if no man is an island, and also Karma.

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Post by matt4077 »

clintonb wrote: post #5

> WikiLeaks cited the unidentified person as saying the planned expulsion is a response to the organization’s recent tweet linking to a website that alleged money laundering and corruption during Ecuadorian President Lenin Moreno’s time as United Nations special envoy for the disabled in Geneva. Foreign Minister Jose Valencia said last month that the government was “very surprised” by that and other actions by Assang…

Not to mention all his trouble started when he raped (allegedly) one of his former hosts, who had also put him up for free and was generally a fan until he violated the house rules on hygiene.

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Post by vinceguidry »

dragonwriter wrote: post #97
wurst_case wrote: post #58

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Clearly Manning is the most simpathetic of all mistreated 'leakers'. Truly, what does anyone gain by having her locked up?

She's not locked up for leaking, she's locked up for flagrant contempt in an active grand jury investigation, one which otherwise poses her no legal jeopardy, since she has both immunity and, for much of the subject matter, double jeopardy protection since she's been tried, convicted, and served her sentence for her involvement.

I'm rather struck by the realization here that if a person has spent significant amounts of time in prison being locked up for following their principles, they may start looking at getting locked up for their principles as, well, just something they do.

Is this a traumatic response to the initial experience or something more? After all, being willing to go to prison for your principles underlies much of 'real' activism.

Probably a mix of both.

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Post by vinceguidry »

pjc50 wrote: post #141
Theodores wrote: post #113

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au contraire! There is EU wide whistleblower protection on its way. The motivation is to save money. More details: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019... The quote in the article mentions Cambridge Analytica so political whistleblowing could be part of the deal: "Recent scandals such Cambridge analytica or Lux Leaks have demonstrated the importance of whistleblowers. That is why we need to pr…

> whistleblowers will first have to use internal channels within their organisation before calling on external ones (set up by public authorities) and, eventually, going for public disclosure. Not helpful. The most important cases are the ones where blowing the whistle will incur reprisals and prevent the whistleblower ever reaching the other two steps. (I don't see how "The motivation is to save money" though?)

In most cases I can remember, including the most high-profile ones, internal channels were indeed used. They were just ignored. It's the act of going outside those channels which triggered the disloyal reprisals.

I don't see much of a problem with making it mandatory.

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