Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

massprivatei.blogspot.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

161–170 of 292 posts

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#161

Post by bronco21016 »

maxxxxx wrote: post #157
gumby wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More articles like this to raise awareness and importance of issues. Getting younger people who give a shit to vote, and to become immune to the bogus fear mongering. Hope the baby boomers die off of old age before the panopticon is built.

"Hope the baby boomers die off of old age before the panopticon is built." The current builders of the panopticon are very young and work for Google, Facebook and others. This has nothing to do with age.

The ‘builders’ are better described as ‘profiteers’.

The panopticon is being requested and purchased by municipalities, which are predominantly governed by those from the baby boomer generation. Start-up 101. Build what the Users want.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#162

Post by harshreality »

ams6110 wrote: post #120
nosuchthing wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two-party system is a direct result of FPTP election forms. First past the post receives a lot of criticism for restricting options to vote for due to the idea of vote splitting and strategic voting. This leads elections to run into the commonly referred to "Lesser of two evils" dilemma and ends with a 2-party system in place. With 42% of Americans saying they identify as independent and 60% of Americans saying t…

Downvoted for indented text. Sorry I don't know how else to put an end to this.

HN has this dogma where they won't add any more markup even if it's reasonable. I guess they don't want every comment turning into a fancy formatted mess with different font sizes and lists, but blockquotes are a necessity. > is used a lot, and it always looks bad, particularly for multi-line quotes. HN won't add proper blockquote rendering for ">", so people try to mimic it, badly, using indented 
/unflowed text (which HN bizarrely implemented even though they didn't implement indented flowed text).  Don't blame people, blame HN.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#163

Post by username223 »

nosuchthing wrote: post #59
maxxxxx wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't defeatism. I just think there is a wave coming that's really hard to stop and I don't see anything in the current political structure that's willing to stop it.

Just because you're not interested or motivated in changing something, doesn't mean it can't be changed. City and state level political change is very malleable.

> City and state level political change is very malleable.

Corporations have already figured this out, e.g. ALEC [1] writes laws, then gets sympathetic minions to enact them, but city politics still operate on a human scale in many places. I'd bet that a motivated campaign could reverse this move in San Diego, or at least figure out who pushed for it. I don't think there was massive popular support for cameras in streetlights.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_...

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#164

Post by kevingadd »

starik36 wrote: post #112
HashThis wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Congress doesn't represent US citizens. 84% of the time, the congress person that wins in that district raised the most money. Corporations and the wealthy provide that money to get congress people who represent THEM, not US citizens. US Congress doesn't represent US citizens. So nothing changes if moneyed interests want US citizens to live under surveillance.

Except when this correlation is wrong. Such as when Trump won with less than 60% of the money spent by Hillary Clinton. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidentia...

They were talking about Congress not the presidency, and the presidency is not popular vote. The electoral college is specifically designed to be different

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#165

Post by hectip »

bronco21016 wrote: post #161
maxxxxx wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hope the baby boomers die off of old age before the panopticon is built." The current builders of the panopticon are very young and work for Google, Facebook and others. This has nothing to do with age.

The ‘builders’ are better described as ‘profiteers’. The panopticon is being requested and purchased by municipalities, which are predominantly governed by those from the baby boomer generation. Start-up 101. Build what the Users want.

Young blindly build Facebook like apps, old build a CCTV network.

Everything feels scary, try walking around at 2 a.m. and not feeling it. People are tired of it.

I don't think that all the surveillance will work. You always find the most amount of sketchy people around police stations. The cameras will make things worse. Good people will flee to other neighborhoods, were they are not being watched.

Fundamentally, why arn't things safe?

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#166

Post by godelski »

starik36 wrote: post #112
HashThis wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US Congress doesn't represent US citizens. 84% of the time, the congress person that wins in that district raised the most money. Corporations and the wealthy provide that money to get congress people who represent THEM, not US citizens. US Congress doesn't represent US citizens. So nothing changes if moneyed interests want US citizens to live under surveillance.

Except when this correlation is wrong. Such as when Trump won with less than 60% of the money spent by Hillary Clinton. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidentia...

Well the idea is that having more money means you can get your message out more. The money has to be spent to be useful. It isn't just the person who "has" the most (though you could also use Trump as an example to that).

But Trump's team did a good job at getting in the media. Any news station you turned on there was more talk about Trump than Hillary.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#168

Post by mamon »

opportune wrote: post #63
veryworried wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under control from what? Committing crimes, breaking into homes, shooting people dead, raping women going out for a jog, planning terrorist activity? I welcome it.

If you create a massive surveillance system for "good" purposes that doesn't mean someone can't later use it for nefarious purposes. One (rather primitive by modern standards) example is that Poland required people to list if they were Jewish for their national census, and then the Nazis used that list to round up and account for Jews in the holocaust. Since the US routinely violates the constitution in the name of f…

I think it was Netherlands, not Poland that had religion listed in national census, but I agree with your other points.

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#169

Post by tomcam »

bronco21016 wrote: post #161
maxxxxx wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hope the baby boomers die off of old age before the panopticon is built." The current builders of the panopticon are very young and work for Google, Facebook and others. This has nothing to do with age.

The ‘builders’ are better described as ‘profiteers’. The panopticon is being requested and purchased by municipalities, which are predominantly governed by those from the baby boomer generation. Start-up 101. Build what the Users want.

How does that make them profiteers?

Re: San Diego Implemented City-Wide Streetlight Surveillance

#170

Post by kefs »

gotu wrote: post #94
maxxxxx wrote: post #41

It's just a matter of time until we have country-wide full surveillance. It will be the perfect tool for anyone who wants to create a dictatorship. The thought police and the telescreens in 1984 will look primitive and weak in comparison. I think there is no way around it. Add to that drones to keep the population under control and there is huge danger we'll have a pretty bleak future.

"Country-wide full surveillance"? Maybe we have it already, but just don't know it yet. Search for "Gorgon Stare". It's featured in a new book called "Eyes in the Sky", and is said to have been used secretly over several cities in the US.

Gorgon Stare was featured in PBS Nova Rise of the Drones (2013)

Skip to 30m mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP_T45UG1-o?t=30m29s

Post reply on HN