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How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

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Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

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post #65

I don't agree with this. Perhaps it's possible for someone with exceptional LaTeX and vim knowledge, but even after using both for 20 years I wouldn't do this. The point of the lecture is to assimilate structure and basic understanding, not to produce a neat set of notes instantly. To take notes to this detail means you're putting more time into the note taking than the work. Use a pen and paper. Write down structure…

I object to this for completely different reasons. Do whatever you like to learn the material, but when you're sitting in a lecture, please don't have a laptop open -- it's terribly distracting for the other people in the room. You may stick resolutely to note-taking and have no messaging programs, games, or video playing. Even so, your constantly updating screen, your tapping keys, are a magnet for others' attention. And that's a best-case scenario by far. Few students are disciplined enough to stay off of Facebook during a lecture. Laptops have no place in a lecture hall.

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

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post #139

1700 pages of notes would translate to 9 pages/working-day in a year. That's a lot of note taking. The blog post is wonderful and does show outstanding LaTeX and VIM practical knowledge, but I'd be skeptical that the average student could absorb so much content and still have time to bring it to such a polished final format every day. Nonetheless, there's definitely a lesson to be learned here with respect to the usa…

Looks like you have a typo in your [2] link. I think you meant to link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

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post #65

I don't agree with this. Perhaps it's possible for someone with exceptional LaTeX and vim knowledge, but even after using both for 20 years I wouldn't do this. The point of the lecture is to assimilate structure and basic understanding, not to produce a neat set of notes instantly. To take notes to this detail means you're putting more time into the note taking than the work. Use a pen and paper. Write down structure…

Over the years I've audited a lot of math classes and tried various ways of taking notes.

I've found that live-TeXing lets me keep half my attention at best on the lecture. The people I've talked to about it agree. Also, when the professor requests for the class to be transcribed, the live-TeXing duty is rotated among the students as to not unduly impose on one of us.

I eventually gave up and moved to taking notes with an iPad and an Apple pencil, which has the quickness of handwritten notes, and the availability of digitized notes -- if I'm looking for something I can usually find it pretty quickly by navigating to the class and the (labeled) lectures.

Of course if live-TeXing works for someone, more power to them!

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

#164
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this works for the guy how can you ‘disagree’?

Because it's very much an edge case and he hasn't passed yet. A lot of people get to the end of their course and realise they have thousands of pages of useless words and diagrams and have a nervous breakdown. It takes a lot of discipline and time to write very high quality notes and to study. I spent more time thinking about things and experimenting with ideas and writing notes than I did in lectures or tutorials or…

Don't you think you could be an edge case too where you went back and studied extra and experimented? Very few college students I know actually did anything like this, and I know I didn't. Obviously it would have helped, but I did not do that then.

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

#165

As a feat in itself this is definitely very impressive, but I wonder if it's really worth anyone's time to spend precious lecture time with your mind fully occupied in the mechanical task of taking notes rather than actually absorbing and engaging with the content. Especially for an extremely content-dense subject like Mathematics, where you need all your concentration just to process what you are reading and follow…

> mechanical task of taking notes rather than actually absorbing and engaging with the content The mechanical task of taking notes is one of the most important parts of actually absorbing the material. It is not an either-or. Hearing/seeing the information, processing it in a way that makes sense to you individually, and then mechanically writing it down in a legible manner is one of the main methods that your brain…

> The mechanical task of taking notes is one of the most important parts of actually absorbing the material. It is not an either-or. Hearing/seeing the information, processing it in a way that makes sense to you individually, and then mechanically writing it down in a legible manner is one of the main methods that your brain learns. It's one of the primary reasons that taking notes is important in the first place. This is referred to as the "encoding hypothesis" [1].

There's almost certainly an advantage to learning to think about math using a publishable symbol set like LaTeX.

We learn by reinforcement; with feedback loops that may take until weeks later in a typical university course.

> There are actually even studies [2] that show that tools that assist in more efficient note taking, such as taking notes via typing rather than by hand, are actually detrimental to absorbing information, as it makes it easier for you to effectively pass the information directly from your ears to your computer without actually doing the processing that is required when writing notes by hand.

Handwriting notes is impractical for some people due to e.g. injury and illegibility.

The linked study regarding retention and handwritten versus typed notes has been debunked with references that are referenced elsewhere in comments on this post. There have been a few studies with insufficient controls (lack of randomization, for one) which have been widely repeated by educators who want to be given attention.

Doodling has been shown to increase information retention. Maybe doodling as a control really would be appropriate.

Banning laptops from lectures is not respectful of students with injury and illegible handwriting. Asking people to put their phones on silent (so they can still make and take emergency calls) and refrain from distracting other students with irrelevant content on their computers is reasonable and considerate.

(What a cool approach to math note-taking. I feel a bit inferior because I haven't committed to learning that valuable, helpful skill and so that's stupid and you're just wasting your time because that's not even necessary when all you need to do is retain the information you've paid for for the next few months at most. If course, once you get on the job, you'll never always be using that tool and e.g. latex2sympy to actually apply that theory to solving a problem that people are willing to pay for. So, thanks for the tips and kudos, idiot)

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

#166
An alternate approach: Somewhere in the middle of my first math degree I basically stopped taking notes in lectures (maybe 1/2 page, or a few lines per lecture, just any "aha" moment, really). Best change I ever made.

This way I could focus on the lecture itself - and as you can't learn this stuff without doing it my "real" notes were made later while doing exercises.

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

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I'm surprised to see not enough mentions of Emacs's Orgmode which clearly dominates Vim when it comes to note-taking with or without Latex. Not to start another Vim vs Emacs war, I've been using both of them for quite some years now for each of their specialties. But when it comes to Notetaking, Orgmode is hands-down far superior with it's rich plugin ecosystem & minor modes within. Some plugins I use to do Latexy stuffs on Emacs is (ofc) Auctex, latex-preview-pane, PDFTools. Finally, OxHugo to export my Latexy org as a blog post to my Hugo blog.

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

#168
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to highlight that part: "Participants using laptops are more likely to take lengthier transcription-like notes with greater verbatim overlap with the lecture" In other words, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with taking notes on a laptop if you don't copy everything verbatim. If you force yourself to process the material you should have no problem.

But they noticed that most do not go back to their notes as much as they should so a general advice, while typing is easier hand-written helps you learn and retain better using less exposure. Assuming a class isn't already being recorded (many/most at my university were), the best solution is probably to record audio on your phone and take hand written notes. Then go back and transcribe the hand written notes while r…

Well, I started taking LaTeX notes in-class specifically because I couldn't refer back to handwritten notes later; my handwriting is atrocious at the best of times and when taking quick notes it was just unreadable. However, I did have to keep a notebook for diagrams as well, and my typed notes always needed cleanup afterwards. My eventual process was to type up a first draft before class while reading the material, supplement them with lecture material, then finish them after class. This won't work for everyone, but after I started doing this I would actually use my notes, whereas before I wouldn't, since I could actually read the darn things. Plus, I can type ~2.5 times faster than I can write.

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

#169
I used to do this too, but I took pics of the figures or drew on paper them instead. The only times you don't feel like the silliest student in the room when live texing is when you have one of those professors that edits each equation in place for 5 mins and quickly instead of rewriting the equations in edited form.

There are some lectures where every week something truly unique happens that is not available in any one book in the whole world, AND you have to know it well for your area or bc of a hard test.

But in all other cases, where the information can be found in some textbook or it is some well studied subject, my opinion is it's not worth it. Texing can turn into an escape from actually learning the stuff

Re: How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim

#170
post #102

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I have been using it for about 15 years so am in the same situation. I haven't found a suitable alternative yet. Annoyingly they're going to EOL the cloud connectivity for it in 2023 and then the product in 2025. I've taken all my notebooks offline and will deal with it at some point, probably in 2025 :D

I think the moral of the story is, do not depend on proprietary software ;)

I totally agree. One reason I haven't moved yet is I haven't found something I would consider using that isn't proprietary.
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