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Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by Empact »

jnbiche wrote: post #101
Empact wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Orthodontists are incentivized against embracing orthotropics by their current knowledge and business model. They prefer interventions they can charge for (braces, slenderizing) over practices which can be adopted without intervention. This may be why the field emerged from dentists rather than orthodontists. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”…

> This may be why the field emerged from dentists rather than orthodontists. Orthodontists are dentists.

I'm referring to dentists who do not practice orthodontistry, and therefore do not have careers hinging on the status quo.

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Post by barry-cotter »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #157
imjustsaying wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the most common instances of generalized experts weighing in on topics they're not actually experts in happens in politically-related posts here, although it usually only comes in the form of downvotes. You can cite science and demographic facts while leaving out your own overt normative opinions, yet you will still get downvoted from both 'sides' who think they are being slighted if you don't give a clear opi…

Try saying anything with a hard truth at its core that goes against what people want to believe. And instead of engaging with discussion and rebuttal, they do so with -1s and rate-limiting. 1. Cognitive impairment is likely already happening in office rooms 2. Rich people "donating" to semi-non-profit orgs and universities are doing so for non-altruistic reasons. 3. When you use a free service, you are paying primari…

>> 8. The USA is primarily at "One Dollar = One Vote".

> Why Is There So Little Money In Politics

> In this paper, we argue that campaign contributions are not a form of policy-buying, but are rather a form of political participation and consumption. We summarize the data on campaign spending, and show through our descriptive statistics and our econometric analysis that individuals, not special interests, are the main source of campaign contributions. Moreover, we demonstrate that campaign giving is a normal good, dependent upon income, and campaign contributions as a percent of GDP have not risen appreciably in over 100 years – if anything, they have probably fallen. We then show that only one in four studies from the previous literature support the popular notion that contributions buy legislators’ votes. Finally, we illustrate that when one controls for unobserved constituent and legislator effects, there is little relationship between money and legislator votes. Thus, the question is not why there is so little money politics, but rather why organized interests give at all. We conclude by offering potential answers to this question

http://web.mit.edu/jdefig/www/papers/invest_or_consumpt.pdf

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by barry-cotter »

maxxxxx wrote: post #147
mgiampapa wrote: post #46

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This used to be quite common. In Ireland for example back in the 1970s about 30% of the population had no natural teeth whatsoever. It used to be a common thing for young women to have all their teeth pulled and replaced with dentures before being married. It was seen as a desirable trait for en eligible bride to be.

Don't you start losing bone mass once the teeth are out?

Only if you don’t get implants, a bridge or dentures. It’s not about the teeth per se, it’s about the pressure you exert on the bone underneath the teeth. If you can still bite hard and exert force on the underlying bone you’ll be fine.

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by therealdrag0 »

refurb wrote: post #128
SteveCoast wrote: post #106

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"Doesn’t seem like a great way to tell the age of a skull." The confidence of people far away at a different time without any relevant knowledge to dismiss an experienced local on the ground based on flawed high-level logic never ceases to surprise.

It’s because the story sounds like bullshit. I have no doubt that you can tell the age of a skull with a close inspection of the teeth. This story was an anthropologist looking at remains from several feet away and claiming that it’s aboriginal from the lack of dental decay. I proposed a few exceptions to that rule. Certainly not a quip about the expertise of the anthropologist, but rather the accuracy of the story.

I agree it sounds like bullshit.

However, I have listened to a talk by a lady (she consults on murdered cadavers) who can tell which season a body died in by analyzing the teeth! Apparently there is a lot there.

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by andrei_says_ »

refurb wrote: post #130
andrei_says_ wrote: post #113

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He most likely meant refined sugars. Sugar is being added to most foods nowadays. The timeline of cheap refined sugar is the timeline of sugar addiction and tooth decay.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/06/tooth-... Scientists examined the remains of 52 adults who had lived between roughly 12,000 and 13,000 B.C. and were buried in the cave. An astonishing 49 of them, or 94%, had cavities, which affected more than half of the surviving teeth.

Are you trying to imply that refined sugars do not cause an increase in tooth decay? Or that fruit sugar is similar to refined sugars?

Any ties with the sugar lobbby famous for lobbying the US government into blackmailing the WHO in increasing the amounts “healthy” sugar in their dietary guidelines?

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by gregcrv »

Empact wrote: post #85
keithwhor wrote: post #44

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I would go and schedule an interview with an orthodontist instead of relying on the internet, here. "Orthrotropics" appears to be a registered trademark, which is, at the very least, a yellow flag. A cursory search on details has broken this down to extractive / surgical vs. non-extractive / non-surgical orthodontics, the latter of which has proven to be effective before the palate and growth plates have fused -- in…

Orthodontists are incentivized against embracing orthotropics by their current knowledge and business model. They prefer interventions they can charge for (braces, slenderizing) over practices which can be adopted without intervention. This may be why the field emerged from dentists rather than orthodontists. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”…

Yes and they call themselves functional orthodontists

http://www.aafo.org/

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by barry-cotter »

gnulinux wrote: post #138

My teeth aren't that bad but are bad. My upper teeth are nearly perfect but my bottom middle 4 teeth are a little messed up. Most people can tell because I expose my upper teeth while talking, but if I smile it's pretty obvious they're not aesthetic... For years I've been ok with this, my parents never showed me to an orthodontist. But recently I'm getting more and more self-conscious about this every day. I searched…

I’m 35 and have had braces for over six months now. I kind of regret it because it’s purely cosmetic and a massive pain in the behind. I also cheaped out and got train tracks instead of Invisalign. Don’t do that.

Seriously consider medical tourism. I live in China so total cost is going to be just under $3,000. You might be able to go to Mexico or Thailand every two months for your teeth cheaper than getting it done locally. If you get crowns (veneers?) on your bottom incisors you can definitely get that done cheaper in Thailand than the US, including flights and a two week holiday.

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by frosted-flakes »

wj wrote: post #105
qwerty456127 wrote: post #58

Misaligned teeth are not the worst problem IMHO. The fact teeth of most of the humans decay in less than a lifetime and this is considered normal feels much more weird to me.

The fact that we grow one set of bones, lose them, and then grow another set has always been weird for me to think about.

Well, both sets actually start growing before birth, so your timeline is a bit off. The primary teeth start to come in after half a year or so after a child is born. The permanent teeth continue to develop until they absorb the roots of the primary teeth beginning around 6-7 years old, causing them to fall out and making room for the new teeth.

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by pdimitar »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #58

Misaligned teeth are not the worst problem IMHO. The fact teeth of most of the humans decay in less than a lifetime and this is considered normal feels much more weird to me.

My dentists, whose service I'm very happy with, are telling me misaligned teeth are much more prone to decay than the straight ones.

Reasons being: certain parts of the dental periphery are more vulnerable since they are supposed to be covered by gums or neighboring teeth.

My dentists keep saying that our teeth are highly specialized in every meaning of the word, and every deviation from the beaten path is heavily penalized with decay and a number of other conditions.

:(

Re: Why Are Human Teeth So Messed Up? (2017)

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

barry-cotter wrote: post #162
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try saying anything with a hard truth at its core that goes against what people want to believe. And instead of engaging with discussion and rebuttal, they do so with -1s and rate-limiting. 1. Cognitive impairment is likely already happening in office rooms 2. Rich people "donating" to semi-non-profit orgs and universities are doing so for non-altruistic reasons. 3. When you use a free service, you are paying primari…

>> 8. The USA is primarily at "One Dollar = One Vote". > Why Is There So Little Money In Politics > In this paper, we argue that campaign contributions are not a form of policy-buying, but are rather a form of political participation and consumption. We summarize the data on campaign spending, and show through our descriptive statistics and our econometric analysis that individuals, not special interests, are the mai…

Dunno who flagged-killed it. But that's directly opposed to what I was saying....

On to your comment.

https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2015/05/disturbing-d...

Long story short, the 30 year review and analysis states that rich people (those that pay their senators/congresscritters) get their laws passed, even when rejected by the bulk of the common person. And yet popular nonrich-popular laws are regularly dismissed without a consideration.

1$ = 1 vote. It happens at the regulatory level, the bill level, and the vote level. That's corruption no matter how you frame it.

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