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Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

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Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#161

Sounds like a fun weekend project to replicate this for a ton of other stuff and not require a service.

It's actually pretty hard to do the re-ordering system. Monitoring would be a fun easy project, for sure!

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#162
My initial reaction to this post was very dismissive. I was ready to jump into the comments and nod along with everyone else shitting all over it.

But, I don't want to be like CmdrTaco and the iPod, or whoever thought an rsync bash script could replace Dropbox.

If you prove this out with coffee, and work on making it for all "constant" foods in the home, this would be awesome.

Milk, butter, cheese, eggs, soda, cereal, apples, tortilla chips, baby food, etc. A whole section in the fridge or pantry that a user could arrange how they like, and use the app to set restock thresholds. Smart logic on your end to bundle items in as few shipments as possible (i.e. send the butter restock a week before you really need to, because other items are queued up now) and this becomes a magic grocery delivery service where—not only do you not need to go to the store—you don't even need to think about placing an order!

Good luck on this, and probably a good decision to target coffee snobs first.

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#163
post #64

What I don't understand is why there is the monthly shipping subscription. As someone who has free coffee at work and only drinks coffee at home on the weekend it doesn't seem like it would be worth paying monthly shipping. I would much prefer to be able to choose between the monthly cost and a per bag cost.

Yeah, thanks for your feedback! Would you pay for a set up fee if then you can get per bag cost?

Possibly, depends on what the fee was.

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#164

My initial reaction to this post was very dismissive. I was ready to jump into the comments and nod along with everyone else shitting all over it. But, I don't want to be like CmdrTaco and the iPod, or whoever thought an rsync bash script could replace Dropbox. If you prove this out with coffee, and work on making it for all "constant" foods in the home, this would be awesome. Milk, butter, cheese, eggs, soda, cereal…

thank you! keep in touch, we might end up solving this problem for all your pantry needs!

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#165
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another question is what is stopping Amazon/Instacart/etc from copying this model? Presumably Amazon Go shops have this capability and it could be modified to suit end consumers in their homes?

This question gets asked for every company. The way it works is that Amazon and Instacart. may copy. But walmart and target will be slow to respond. At some point, Amazon will be ahead in the game and Walmart is in a hurry to bring something similar to buy. Then they will acquire Bottomless Another way, even if Amazon introduces it, they have to make $x billion from it to be viable. If Bottomless makes $100M per year…

Big Cos don't have to copy. Startup can validate and they can swallow them if they care.

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#166

Super interesting, congratulations on launching! I think the HN perspective here ("Why can't they just add a packet of coffee powder?) is bog standard + a lot of people aren't your market. The consumer side is interesting and has been addressed, but I think the more interesting component is you've essentially become an integrated sales partner for a really big industry. I've worked a lot in leadgen, and it turns out…

I'm glad you get it. Thanks for the kind words.

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#167

I think the bag should screw into the scale with a twist or two. Current design to precarious. Don't make me remember to check bag did not slide off.

Cool idea! Right now we're trying to keep the hardware as simple as possible.

Velcro?

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#168
post #91

I just listened to Michael's podcast interview. Very smart & inspiring! https://www.listennotes.com/podcasts/invest-like-the-best/mi...

He sounds like a philosopher more than a business person. But my bias is that that's a good thing.

Hey, these aren’t mutually exclusive.

Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#169

I have to confess, that I don't understand the business case, but I applaud your confidence to go after such an extremely niche area (I wouldn't call it a problem). However, if I convince myself to see the value here, I see the real product as the solution around using your scale to work on pantry restocking in general, not just with coffee. All the best!

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Re: Launch HN: Bottomless (YC W19) – Coffee Restocked with a Smart Scale

#170
I think the business case with the same idea and tech, but a lot better market cap, would be providing a restocking service to businesses who are using tens of thousands of dollars of consumable shop supplies than the small audience of people who are willing to buy coffee from a subscription for $3/mo.

To make the pain point that I'm familiar with on a daily basis crystal clear to you: I'm an engineer at a small, shop that makes industrial automation equipment. Each machine contains (in addition to bill-of-materials listed components, an array of stuff we consider "shop supplies".

Some components I'd inventory include a lot of items from the McMaster Carr, Grainger, Bolt Bin, and Digikey catalogs. We have racks of pneumatic fittings, electrical conduit connectors, dowel pins, electrical connectors, extrusion hardware, labels, and all manner of other industrial Lego. There's a large area with hundreds of drawers holding alloy cap screws in socket, button, and flat-head in metric and SAE from #4-40/M3 to 1/2-18/M10 in quarter inch/5mm increments. Every tool and die shop, industrial facility maintenance department, auto mechanic, construction contractor, and so on has a similar set of drawers, shelves, and ULine bins that contains stuff like this.

Each item only runs a nickel to a couple dollars each, so it's hardly worth adding to a spreadsheet, checking out of inventory, and cutting a purchase order for a replacement, but our little 20-man shop probably goes through $150,000 worth of these consumables each year in the process of building $10M worth of machines. Keep our fabricators supplied with the components they need, and stop our expensive engineers from spending $50 in time every week or two purchasing these components, and I'd be more than happy to pay for the value it would provide. Which is a lot more than the value that would be provided by keeping my home kitchen stocked with coffee.

Also, from my point of view, the equipment to use to measure this stuff is not ESP8266 modules and a soldering iron, it's an off-the-shelf PLC, some DIN rail and screw terminals, and some load cells or maybe strain gauges if you really want to optimize costs. Get a volume of equipment sold before trying to roll your own full-stack hardware supply chain...but that's beside the point.

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