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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by dreamcompiler »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #65
gkoberger wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I get your point, but I think this is a meme exclusive to HN. Other than Google Reader, there really isn't much Google has shut down without having a newer, better product you can transition to. When it comes to something like this (AKA not a consumer product, makes money, relatively easy to run, etc), I genuinely can't see them shutting down a TLD like this. If anything, the complaint should be the lack of o…

You may've missed the recent news on Google Fiber pulling out of Louisville ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19106998 ) as well as Google Plus shutting down. Some folks make a hobby out of the stuff Google spins up and then abandons: https://killedbygoogle.com

This is an amazing list. It might not be 100% fair since a few products got replaced with something better, but I think most didn't.

Fundamentally, Google is just an advertising company that happens to employ very smart people. If you go to work for Google, you have to understand from the outset that you're working for an advertising company and you're not going to change the world. You might be allowed to work on a fun project, but if it doesn't directly serve the needs of advertising it will be shut down. But hey, it'll look good on your resume.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by towb »

jasonbarone wrote: post #142
tedmiston wrote: post #123

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Are you saying the registry can arbitrarily change the .app domain renewal price without control, or that they can charge a different renewal price for different .app domains? I've experienced weird price fluctuations with .io domain renewals in the past, but haven't owned one in a few years.

According to registrars, yes. So for example, let's say I paid $1000 for a premium .app last year when they were released. Renewal price is marked for something like $280/yr, which I didn't expect, because I thought the premium pricing was an initial purchase price only. I thought the renewal price was standard .app renewal rates. When I called to clarify with a few registrars, they said that this premium price ($280…

Yikes! My one was and still is $63.70/year. I wonder what makes a domain "premium" anyway, and what makes it more or less premium? Never even seen a live .app domain anyway so that sort of makes them not premium at all.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by icebraining »

jasonbarone wrote: post #152
icebraining wrote: post #138

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AFAIU, the ICANN New gTLD registry agreement means you can't have "premium" prices for renewals: "Registry Operator must have uniform pricing for renewals of domain name registrations (“Renewal Pricing”). For the purposes of determining Renewal Pricing, the price for each domain registration renewal must be identical to the price of all other domain name registration renewals in place at the time of such renewal, and…

Hmm, this definitely isn't the case for .app. There are numerous tiers of pricing as of right now. Google categorized specific names as "Premium", which you can see when searching for a lot of .app domains. These Premium domains vary in both initial purchase price AND the yearly renewal. One of my examples is in this thread. Purchase price was around $1000, yearly renewal is $280. Other names are even higher...

Ah, yes, the (c) clause says they can charge you more if you agreed to it "at the time of the initial registration", but not after you have invested in the domain.

But I suggest people read the whole article themselves, I have no industry expertise.

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Post by josteink »

fgkramer wrote: post #160
shereadsthenews wrote: post #104

What will you build on .dev? A site so broken that it still has a horizontal scrollbar no matter how wide the browser window.

Are you on a mac? 99% of times it's because of an external mouse connected. edit: the css for the element that overflows has: `grid-template-columns: 50vw 50vw;` and based on the spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#viewport-relative-lengths , scrollbars are not taken into account, therefore as long as you have a _forced_ scrollbar, the content WILL overflow regardless of your screen size. By forced I mean a scro…

It’s still a broken site.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by m45t3r »

gpm wrote: post #133
stingraycharles wrote: post #112

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Isn't this just as silly as wishing Cloudflare's public DNS fails because you were using 1.1.1.1 as a development IP ?

- Cloudflare 1.1.1.1 doesn't prevent you from using 1.1.1.1 as a development IP, it just prevents you from accessing their service if you are. Google preloading everything to the HSTS list prevents you from using it without jumping through loops. - The IP address 1.1.1.1 as a public DNS has clear value to the public, DNS IP addresses needing to be for 0-255 values that are memorable. .dev has no real public value con…

> - The IP address 1.1.1.1 as a public DNS has clear value to the public, DNS IP addresses needing to be for 0-255 values that are memorable. .dev has no real public value considering the plethora of other tlds.

Of course it has, TLDs that describes itself are valuable for some business, and this is exactly what this seems to be about.

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Post by LukeShu »

fgkramer wrote: post #160
shereadsthenews wrote: post #104

What will you build on .dev? A site so broken that it still has a horizontal scrollbar no matter how wide the browser window.

Are you on a mac? 99% of times it's because of an external mouse connected. edit: the css for the element that overflows has: `grid-template-columns: 50vw 50vw;` and based on the spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/css3-values/#viewport-relative-lengths , scrollbars are not taken into account, therefore as long as you have a _forced_ scrollbar, the content WILL overflow regardless of your screen size. By forced I mean a scro…

I see it with Firefox on Arch Linux. No matter the size of the window, the page seems to be a fixed ~16px wider.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by benatkin »

glennpratt wrote: post #139
benatkin wrote: post #50

Having used "sudo vi /etc/hosts" to add .dev domains, this gets no I'm going to avoid buying one, but if there are any popular .dev domains I hope I will forget about it before long. I don't want negative feelings from this so often. On the other hand there are plenty of reminders of negative things in politics and the environment, so I guess I've gotten used to it and developed outrage fatigue.

/etc/hosts doesn't accept wildcards, so you probably didn't catch much. This was settled a long time ago: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606 .test is only one more letter.

That's why I was editing it with vim. I manually added the two dozen or so names and put them in my team's git repo.

.test doesn't convey the meaning I intended.

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