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Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by krapp »

intopieces wrote: post #155
deadalus wrote: post #145

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> the drama it caused is way overblown People have been arrested because of Reddit posts they made. If the admins can edit comments without any indication to the users... They can falsely accuse you of a crime. They can also identify you and ban you specially if you do or say things not in alignment with the founders of Reddit(criticizing Serina Williams got a subreddit banned recently).

That moderators can edit posts on Reddit throws into question the validity of state actors using it as evidence to arrest people but doesn't make it any more dangerous than it was from the start.

I would assume state actors would need something more than a screenshot of a Reddit post to make a case either way.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by ddingus »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #154
deadalus wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the drama it caused is way overblown People have been arrested because of Reddit posts they made. If the admins can edit comments without any indication to the users... They can falsely accuse you of a crime. They can also identify you and ban you specially if you do or say things not in alignment with the founders of Reddit(criticizing Serina Williams got a subreddit banned recently).

Admins are always 100% going to be capable of editing posts on a website, after all they can just edit the database. This "proof" they have the ability to do that somehow signaling danger is nothing short of ridiculous.

No it is not. Users need to know the conversation is coherent. Real.

Reddit is not always casual chat.

There is hide, delete and edit with a clear history for all involved.

Touching the database changes the record of reality without leaving history of it happening.

The database edit is what drove the spez controversy.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by slig »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #150

I feel like it would be incredibly easy for 1 person to make a reddit clone with what's available today. Reddit's advantage is its network but a competitor's platform would sky rocket in situations like these.

The old version of Reddit is open source.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by bdcravens »

jumbopapa wrote: post #9

Reddit has long been plagued with censorship. The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The Reddit situation reminds me of the post about failing to build a billion dollar company a few days ago. Reddit is trying to make VCs happy and continue to grow the business, but a platform like Reddit is best as a less reliant on growth, but s…

Most censorship comes from subreddit mods, not Reddit the company.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by ddingus »

lmm wrote: post #141
newsbinator wrote: post #12

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Can you imagine the reaction if a user's post on HN were edited by YC? I guess it'd be the instant death of the network. That this action a) happened on Reddit + b) was mostly/quickly forgotten says a lot about the different demographics. Audiences who largely come for cat pictures and political snark don't have to worry about CEOs breaking the 4th wall. I've been a Redditor for 9+ years and I still am one. But today…

> I guess it'd be the instant death of the network. Nonsense. HN moderators already act with zero accountability. This is possibly the only major site that shadowbans users as a matter of course.

That is not an edit.

And of course! It is their house. Play nice, or see the impact. And they do have accountability. Users are here because it makes sense. Should that change, so will users do something else.

Nothing out of the ordinary there.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by JoeSmithson »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #90
zozbot123 wrote: post #36

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It was not an attempt to deceive, it was a way of visibly trolling back people who were dumb enough to libel the Reddit CEO on his own website, in extremely offensive ways. And he owned up to it very quickly after it happened.

"Fuck /u/spez" is not libel, and is not even particularly offensive. And yes, he "owned up", but without apologizing. EDIT: So actually on https://www.reddit.com/comments/5frg1n he did actually say that he was sorry and he wouldn't do it again. That's interesting, because I have a very strong memory of that not being the case. Weird. Either there was an initial acknowledgement that didn't have any sort of apology, or…

The entire subreddit was calling him a paedophile, this is actually mentioned in the post this thread is about, so I'm not sure how you could have missed it -https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ekdy9/the_admi...

It seems a bit like your feelings on this issue are stronger than your recollection.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by IvyMike »

deadalus wrote: post #145
intopieces wrote: post #114

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>The CEO edited the post of a user because they criticized him or something. I can't believe how quickly that's been forgotten. The CEO changed a single post from "fuck " to "fuck " for an hour. While certainly this action was not received well, the drama it caused is way overblown and isn't evidence of being 'plagued with censorship.' If anything it's plagued with shills from governments and corporations.

> the drama it caused is way overblown People have been arrested because of Reddit posts they made. If the admins can edit comments without any indication to the users... They can falsely accuse you of a crime. They can also identify you and ban you specially if you do or say things not in alignment with the founders of Reddit(criticizing Serina Williams got a subreddit banned recently).

> If the admins can edit comments without any indication to the users...

I feel like this is possible on every website ever made.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by throwaway2048 »

ddingus wrote: post #162
throwaway2048 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Admins are always 100% going to be capable of editing posts on a website, after all they can just edit the database. This "proof" they have the ability to do that somehow signaling danger is nothing short of ridiculous.

No it is not. Users need to know the conversation is coherent. Real. Reddit is not always casual chat. There is hide, delete and edit with a clear history for all involved. Touching the database changes the record of reality without leaving history of it happening. The database edit is what drove the spez controversy.

Again, this is always possible, its possible on HN, its possible on gmail, its possible on every single site on the internet, that is how the technology works.

This isn't some kind of dark secret backdoor spez built into the reddit codebase. Immature and stupid action maybe, but some kind of scary sentinel of how admin power can be uniquely abused at reddit, it isn't.

Re: Reddit's user uprising against China because Tencent will invest in the platform

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Post by IvyMike »

_up wrote: post #87
supercanuck wrote: post #30

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I wish Reddit could be run as a non-profit. Its benefit to society is immense.

If this hypothesis where true couldn't you just build a niche Reddit clone that is run as a non-profit. People certainly would switch if it is so much better.

This is the premise behind https://blog.tildes.net/announcing-tildes

Sadly invite only for now.

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