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And Apple just revoked Facebook's developer certificate. Nice.
Enterprise developer certificate, which is a different program than the standard Apple Developer program used to release apps on TestFlight and the App Store.
I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales! I have previously worked with developers in start-ups and was amazed to hear some of their backgrounds. One previously worked for a company that bundles spyware with freeware MSI products. Another worked for an airline agency, where they advertise fake a discount on tickets when the price was in fact…
I struggle to realize why we expect Software engineers to be bellwethers of morality and ethics. They are flesh and blood, and like any other profession, if there's money in something, there will be someone to do it
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I would love to be a fly-on-the-wall at some of their meetings when someone says “So we are going to do data collection on minors without parental consent now” and all the developers just say “great I’ll code that up straight away”. Like is there no dissent at all? Is there no one at all who says “guys this is not OK”?
Amazonians reading this: I'd like to know how often does it cause someone to rethink their proposal when you use the magic words "disagree and commit"? Does it ever happen? I mean consider this scenario: A, B, C, D, E are in a meeting to discuss a new project that A has planned. D and E like the idea. B is not committed either way. C says they can't see the project being a good thing but uses the magic words "disagre…
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It's the "no one is harmed" part I strongly disagree with. Perhaps they signed up for something and have perfect knowledge of how Facebook will use the information they collect (doubtful) but the rest of us will be impacted, manipulated and harmed in some way by what Facebook ultimately ends up doing with the data that their guinea pigs willingly gave up.
> It's the "no one is harmed" part I strongly disagree with. I can't prove a negative. So you would have to prove the positive, what harm came from this app?
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They've had their enterprise signing certificate revoked. https://seekingalpha.com/news/3427520-apple-banning-facebook... > Apple says. "Any developer using their enterprise certificates to distribute apps to consumers will have their certificates revoked, which is what we did in this case to protect our users and their data.”
Does that mean FB's mobile device management for stuff like VPNs is now broken for their employees?
I struggle to see how software developers can willingly do work on a project that goes against all values and morales! I have previously worked with developers in start-ups and was amazed to hear some of their backgrounds. One previously worked for a company that bundles spyware with freeware MSI products. Another worked for an airline agency, where they advertise fake a discount on tickets when the price was in fact…
I struggle to realize why we expect Software engineers to be bellwethers of morality and ethics. They are flesh and blood, and like any other profession, if there's money in something, there will be someone to do it
It’s an ongoing source of debate and confusion as to what Software ‘Engineer’ means.
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To any HN readers who work at Facebook: your company is morally decrepit and you are complicit. If you go to LinkedIn and indicate that you're looking, you'll have 20 leads in your inbox by lunch. You don't have to work there.
From Google, MS, Instacart, Uber et al? The reality is that every major tech company does scummy stuff. There are vanishly few tech companies that don't.
There are levels and degrees of bad behavior.
Facebook is rotten from the head down.
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> It's the "no one is harmed" part I strongly disagree with. I can't prove a negative. So you would have to prove the positive, what harm came from this app?
Isn't Cambridge Analytica enough proof that harm has been done by Facebook's data collection and allowing others to access it? That's the very tip of the iceberg.
My understanding is the entire Cambridge Analytica thing is about privacy and not actual harm from the Facebook aspect.
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From Google, MS, Instacart, Uber et al? The reality is that every major tech company does scummy stuff. There are vanishly few tech companies that don't.
There are a fuckload of tech companies. You don't have to work for a big name.
There's a reason that these companies do what they do. Fraud, breaking the law, and dark patterns are way easier ways to make money than doing so do ethically and legally. Companies either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.
I'm exaggerating a bit, but realistically the list of ethical tech companies is a lot shorter than the list of unethical ones.
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There are a fuckload of tech companies. You don't have to work for a big name.
One day you're working for a plucky start up. The next you're working for a big name that's stealing tip money. There's a reason that these companies do what they do. Fraud, breaking the law, and dark patterns are way easier ways to make money than doing so do ethically and legally. Companies either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain. I'm exaggerating a bit, but realistically the list of ethical tech…