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This is a silly and pointless conversation. The cost to the environment for 1500 jets once compared to the political improvements that could result is a drop in the bucket.
When those "political improvements" inevitably end up being a further continuation of the unsustainable capitalism status quo, I would rather they not try to improve anything.
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When those "political improvements" inevitably end up being a further continuation of the unsustainable capitalism status quo, I would rather they not try to improve anything.
I guess you don't live near sea-level, then.
So I am extremely conscious of what the effects of climate change will mean for me, and for anyone living similarly close to the sea and at sea-level.
Which is exactly why I don't think it matters what a bunch of stupendously wealthy capitalists can come up with. We need widespread systematic change, and it needs to come from the people, not the so-called elite. As has been shown before, the ideas and initiatives of the elite are very often explicitly harmful to the general population.
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I guess you don't live near sea-level, then.
I do in fact live in a city on the coast, the highest point in the entire urban area is ~35m above sea level. So I am extremely conscious of what the effects of climate change will mean for me, and for anyone living similarly close to the sea and at sea-level. Which is exactly why I don't think it matters what a bunch of stupendously wealthy capitalists can come up with. We need widespread systematic change, and it n…
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#164Unpopular Opinion: There is no viable solution to climate change through policy or political action. No one wants to give up their own personal comfort or lifestyle for the sake of "the planet." Even people I know who are self-described ardent environmentalists still fly in planes frequently to all manner of touristy destinations so they can keep "collecting experiences." Shit, look at Paris. They champion this clima…
I agree - Innovation. Clean energy has been around for ages but owned little of the market. Now that it's getting cheaper and competing with dirty methods on a cost bases it's an easy option - for rich countries, countries desperate to ascend from poverty and everyone in-between.
In a way, if you care about the environment, the best you may be to able to do is invest in green innovation and tech yourself.
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I do in fact live in a city on the coast, the highest point in the entire urban area is ~35m above sea level. So I am extremely conscious of what the effects of climate change will mean for me, and for anyone living similarly close to the sea and at sea-level. Which is exactly why I don't think it matters what a bunch of stupendously wealthy capitalists can come up with. We need widespread systematic change, and it n…
You realize that these are elected officials meeting in Davos right? As in, as literally as can be, "the people".
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You realize that these are elected officials meeting in Davos right? As in, as literally as can be, "the people".
Meeting with Titans of industry and other high-end capitalists. It's an old boys club, patting each other on the back, doing favors.
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Depending on what you consider a direct subsidy, the US subsidizes fossil fuels to the tune of $5-15 billion per year. There was a study that came out claiming that around half of US oil production is only profitable because of these subsidies.
Do you have a link to that study?
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Meeting with Titans of industry and other high-end capitalists. It's an old boys club, patting each other on the back, doing favors.
So you want policy makers to not understand what they're making policy on?