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After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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What's the evidence? This article? That's not the reason why, the whole EU market is down and there are just fewer but larger ad campaigns which go to the sites with the biggest reach. It's regulation causing consolidation.

The GDPR is a great piece of legislation, that significantly improves people's privacy. Your arguing about how terrible it is will not convince anybody that your industry's practices aren't evil. They will only reinforce it.

Maybe you should look me up first: https://twitter.com/search?q=manigandham%20regulation

I'm one of the few in the industry who actually spent time and money on regulation. I've met with Senators and major CMOs to make it happen. It's not that simple. GDPR has good intent but is poorly executed and has no measurable effect on privacy because those politicians fail to understand the market they're regulating. This is now playing out again in the recent copyright directives.

Marketing and advertising are drivers of the economy and there's nothing inherently wrong with either of them. All regulation also creates and solves problems, one of which is consolidation. Nothing inherently problematic in that either. Targeted advertising definitely needs fixing, but that's separate from privacy and there are ways to do both while also solving for other issues like fraud, political influence, mass surveillance, and more.

"Evil, harmful, just dies" are useless for discussion. I suggest dropping the immature rhetoric if you actually want to have a productive conversation and perhaps create the change you want to see.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I would be absolutely astounded if targeted ads did not provide significant long-term advantage to a big player like Google. How can it be that having intimate knowledge of someone would not allow you to sell them more stuff? John has a 10th wedding anniversary coming up. Mary is single and goes to the gym every day. Steve just got a promotion and likes the BMW 3 series. Michael is overweight but has just gone on a d…

It does make sense the way you describe it. But the ads I see are way off target. Hell Google's news ... AI or whatever they're doing has been absolutely convinced I'm a Nebraska Cornhuskers fan, probabbly because my team plays them and I google something about them once in a while.... but in the past even when I told Google directly "I don't want to see stories about Nebraska Cornhuskers" ... after a while it again…

Or "let’s sprinkle some noise in here so people think we’re less efficient than we truly are, so that we appear a bit dumber and less creepy."

But probably the truth is that these systems aren’t that good :)

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I've thought the same (and heard the same booking "blunder"), until I visited a city I had visited before, and went for the exact same hotel...

Surely that would make sense the next time you visit the city, not for the same visit.

There’s some marketing theory about brand reinforcement near a purchase creating a more likely customer later. I’m not a marketer though.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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What I found most interesting about the 'block Europe' movement among news sites: If the news sites favor their own revenue over the peoples right for privacy, what are my expectations towards the information they serve? I mean, if most news sites are getting their biggest revenue via online targeting, who am I expecting to report abusive behavior among ad networks?

You're right! News outlets consistently choosing to favor their own revenues over a basic human right to private is very surprising.

Perhaps they made a choice that looks the same from the outside, but could perhaps be very different from the inside? GDPR implementation is rarely as cheap, straightforward, or easy as some of its adherents might have you think. It can be a large, difficult, expensive undertaking. It may be worth bearing in mind that not every journalistic outlet has a sizable, disciplined, competent technical organization or the financial wherewithal to acquire one rapidly. These days, running a newspaper is famously a poor business.

Might it be possible that organizations, faced with a choice between an easy way to cut some costs and a potentially non-trivial investment for marginal return, might in some circumstances opt for the former?

Again, you're absolutely right that this looks like a crass choice between naked greed and basic human rights. It's just possible that it might be more.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I work in adtech. This has nothing to do with how effective targeting is, and a single site does not reflect the entire industry when they're all competing for the same pool of ad dollars. There is a massive drop in EU programmatic advertising because of GDPR. Most EU advertisers now buy a few large campaigns with coarse targeting instead, and sites with the biggest reach like NYT will get more money but there's less…

> This is another case of regulation benefiting the bigger players

> curious what downvotes are disagreeing with here

not downvoting but I suppose it might be that your post comes across as saying that's necessarily a bad thing.

if you need to be a big publisher to mamage doing well-behaved (not ad-net served ads) and you aren't a big player - then my opinion is you should shut down rather than use ad-nets. I don't care whether 80% of content and jobs just disappear in the process. Integrity and privacy are more importanmt than both.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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And Booking pushing advertisements for the exact same hotel I've just checked on their service. I can't understand how that would seem like a good idea to anyone.

I've thought the same (and heard the same booking "blunder"), until I visited a city I had visited before, and went for the exact same hotel...

But did you need an ad to get you to do that? Seems like that's the one ad you don't need to see.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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This comment makes no sense to me. First of all: do you have any source for your first statement that "It's absolutely working so well because they are NYT" other than your gut feeling? Just because other sites are smaller doesn't mean they can't do it or work together. Smaller sites now also don't do targeted advertising; they just hire Google or any other ad network for that. They could do the same with non-targete…

>do you have any source for your first statement that "It's absolutely working so well because they are NYT" other than your gut feeling? 6 year experience working in ad-tech on different projects. >Just because other sites are smaller doesn't mean they can't do it or work together. Well, try to get a slice of Procter&Gamble or Volkswagen ad budget being a small guy and not having any targeting. > they just hire Goog…

Well I don't know much about the whole cyber economy but I don't think smaller sites are somehow entitled to advertising spending.

If you run a website you are going to have to work hard to get Volkswagen to put ads on your site. Explain to them why they should care. The NYT started out small too.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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I would be absolutely astounded if targeted ads did not provide significant long-term advantage to a big player like Google. How can it be that having intimate knowledge of someone would not allow you to sell them more stuff? John has a 10th wedding anniversary coming up. Mary is single and goes to the gym every day. Steve just got a promotion and likes the BMW 3 series. Michael is overweight but has just gone on a d…

Why does Steve like the BMW 3 series? I contend it is due to untargeted ads.

Or because Steve regularly goes on business trips and has rented the 3 series in the past. That's basically why I want a Mazda 3, because I drove it for 2 weeks and it was fun.

Re: After GDPR, The New York Times cut off ad exchanges and kept growing ad revenue

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Google News for the longest time kept showing me updates for the Fremantle Dockers, an Australian football team (I'm Swiss, and never set foot on Australian soil). I wonder why...

Yeah I've gotten some ultra disconnected bits too. I'm really curious how those happen.

well in this case I assume that my frequent searches for Docker (the technology) led Google News astray :)
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