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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by JohnFen »

partiallypro wrote: post #37
bunderbunder wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is missing a search engine. That doesn't imply that Apple needs a search engine, nor does it imply that acquiring one would be the most profitable thing they could be doing with their available resources. Arguably, a key part of Apple's success is that they don't behave like Microsoft.

DDG doesn't even -really- have a search engine, they are using Bing's API. So the acquisition wouldn't even make sense.

DDG uses Bing as well as a bunch of other sources, including their own crawlers. Portraying it as a sort of "Bing in disguise" is incorrect.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by JohnFen »

zbruhnke wrote: post #49

I really wish DDG would build a Google Apps competitor ... as long as gmail dominates email and business email the privacy argument is largely irrelevant because people will spend hours per day logged in and locked in to the Google ecosystem

My workplace uses Google's stuff, unfortunately. However that's only for work stuff. I don't use any Google services for my own purposes.

If DDG implemented their own set of apps, I wouldn't object -- but it wouldn't be anything that I'd actually use, either.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by bhhaskin »

JohnFen wrote: post #159
fady wrote: post #153

A+ DDG! I have been using DDG (duck duck go) since Gabriel created it in 2008. It’s been my default search on all my devices. When I need to route searches through Google, I do, as Google is still king at knowing and giving you the exact results you want, whereas DDG, gives you great results, with a different algorithm on the type results plus the added security of what DDG is about. They don’t track you. They don’t…

> Google is still king at knowing and giving you the exact results you want Not for me, it's not. The quality of Google search results for me has been falling for years now. These days, DDG and Google are about equally good on that score. I suspect that it's because Google tries to tailor my search results to what it thinks I'm looking for rather than just giving me the results I actually asked for, and it's really,…

Totally. I find that most of my Google searches are not relevant. It started to go down hill once they started pushing ML on search. Google is a marketing platform and no longer a search engine.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by Drew_ »

lukeqsee wrote: post #122
jethro_tell wrote: post #114

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Apples core tenet is making money, they have recently started making privacy a concern probably because they think that it will make money.

Every corporation’s legal core tenet is increasing shareholder value (i.e., make money). I’m more inclined to go with those who at least claim to protect privacy over those who don’t. :)

Every corporation claims to protect privacy

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by bhhaskin »

lukeqsee wrote: post #122
jethro_tell wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apples core tenet is making money, they have recently started making privacy a concern probably because they think that it will make money.

Every corporation’s legal core tenet is increasing shareholder value (i.e., make money). I’m more inclined to go with those who at least claim to protect privacy over those who don’t. :)

Google Claims to protect privacy as well. In fact they make a number of tools that are built just for that reason. But it's all marketing, and the tools are there only to really benefit Google. Just take a look at Android's Wi-Fi assistant that creates and automatic VPN to Google's servers.

My point is it isn't as back and white as companies claiming to protect privacy. At the end of the day Apple is just as bad.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by the_duke »

tramGG wrote: post #140
johnsea wrote: post #135

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Google _is_ a privacy threat. Completely unrelated to DDG, marketing or believe. One Google with thousand tentacles...

A vote for Google is a vote for death.

> A vote for Google is a vote for death of choice.

FTFY

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by 1zee »

lukeqsee wrote: post #158
ChrisLoer wrote: post #155

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I work at Mapbox. Not speaking officially for the company here (for that see https://www.mapbox.com/privacy/ ), but I can say it's definitely an internalized norm that in order to earn trust as a platform we need to be very careful with any user data we get. While user-generated location data does flow into updating our map, we are aggressive about anonymizing and aggregating that data as quickly as possible (includi…

Hey Chris, glad to hear that is an internal focus! I hope for the sake of the Internet that one day discussions about privacy aren’t needed because it’s the default everywhere. Then everyone wins. :)

Except advertisers and industries propped up by that model

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by cronix »

foepys wrote: post #127
taf2 wrote: post #110

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Are they or do you just believe that because of what you think you know about the difference between the two companies?

Afaik Apple went above and beyond to make sure their original iPhone fingerprint sensor never leaked the fingerprint to any app or even the OS itself. Android always just did whatever with the print. If that's the same philosophy now, Apple is definitely better than Google in terms of privacy. Full disclosure: I own an Android device and no Apple product except an iPod from 2009 or so.

Is it really private though if it's all being collected, encryption and all, to be decrypted at a future date when the technology is available? All data on the net is captured by the NSA and stored at multiple data centers. One's in Utah. No company can really claim privacy if their product touches the internet since all of the pipes are tapped. It's all semantics. Maybe saying "we don't directly..." or "we don't make it easy..." would be more accurate. There is no privacy on the net, period. It's temporary privacy in the immediate present at best. 5 years from now? They might be able to decrypt everything from the last 10 years that they already have stored. It's guaranteed at some point. 6 years ago Snowden also revealed Apple was on board with the data collection. They are lying, and people don't care and go along with the show. https://appleinsider.com/articles/15/01/21/nsa-leaker-edward...

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by r00fus »

chewz wrote: post #138
godelski wrote: post #117

I have to say I'm pretty upset about this. Not over privacy stuff (I don't trust Apple that much either), but because Apple maps just sucks. Unless things changed within the last 4 months, Apple Maps couldn't accurately navigate me from Custer State Park to Mt. Rushmore (which really isn't far).

Apple Maps sucks but DDG is also terrible (in languages other then En) and both make dubious claims about protecting customer privacy. So this is match made in heaven. I have given up on Apple Maps long time ago and I have given up on DDG after many failed attempts. I am using Qwant https://lite.qwant.com/ which is surprisingly good for general search terms and embarrassing for specialized search terms (like programm…

Interesting that Qwant says "the only search engine that respects your privacy" without giving any backing to that claim. I had to nav out of the "lite" URL, then navigate to "Philosophy" to see why their claim had any merit.

According to Wikipedia, they still pipe your searches through Bing except for FR/DE (though anonymized), and it's not who the backend search engine is there.

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