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How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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Re: How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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Here's a fun thing about our system in the US. If you're taken to the emergency room, they'll ask your medical history. And not just once - they'll ask it in the ambulance, radio it ahead to the hospital, then make you wait while they ask you the same questions again and enter them into their system at the hospitsl. Then the next 3 doctors or nurses who come into your room do the same thing, asking you questions you'…

I don't 100% trust what another person reports to me regarding another subject, I'd rather look into it myself and figure out the truth as I see it.

Regarding medical practice, why would a physician rely on what a high school graduate EMT obtains from a patient on the way to the hospital. Sure, it provides a starting point, but in no way would I find that comprehensive.

Similarly, an ER doc has a different perspective than a trauma surgeon, than a cardiologist. They all view things differently and ask different questions relative to their specialty.

Re: How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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Medical notes are largely fiction IME. You should request all your medical records from any doctor you have seen and start demanding they correct them. You will be shocked at the lies they tell about you. You will be even more shocked down the road when you find out how these lies can hurt you.

In the US you're legally entitled to your medical records too but every time I've done it the response is always defensive, ie "why do you need them", "send me the doctors information and I'll fax it to them myself".

Faxing to you carries a bunch of bureaucratic hurdles to avoid HIPPA violations. Facing to another physician doesn’t, and the other physician will be quite good at narrowing down exactly what records he wants.

It’s just way less work to send them directly. And since that’s what most patients are asking for...

Re: How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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Medical notes are largely fiction IME. You should request all your medical records from any doctor you have seen and start demanding they correct them. You will be shocked at the lies they tell about you. You will be even more shocked down the road when you find out how these lies can hurt you.

In the US you're legally entitled to your medical records too but every time I've done it the response is always defensive, ie "why do you need them", "send me the doctors information and I'll fax it to them myself".

That’s just clerk-speak for “I don’t feel like doing this”. You handle it like any other lazy customer facing person. Dig in and escalate if necessary.

Re: How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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Funny-Looking-Kid (FLK) and other such diagnostic gems are present in notes of that vintage.

FLK isn't a diagnosis, but it is a useful clinical impression that might lead to one, even now.

It probably shouldn’t be written like that in notes though.

Re: How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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This goes back to the central thesis of the article: that interference from non-physicians (i.e. insurers, billers) are destroying the usefulness of notes. Physicians are bound by both a professional duty and oath as well as legal liability to keep your medical information in the strictest of confidence. But it is nearly impossible to know in advance when a particular piece of medical information will become importan…

I think this comment really hits it on the head. Your medical record is meant to be a confidential record read only by those who are sworn to care for and protect you, and by nobody else for no other purpose. As a student doctor it's alarming to think that people do not feel they can trust their doctor with their medical history. I wonder if this is particularly a problem with the US healthcare system.

You and all your colleagues should be aware of the Medical Information Bureau and IMS health.

Despite all of the kabuki theater about HIPAA and black covers on clipboards and whatnot, every single medical fact that is even considered for payment by an insurance company gets hoovered up into various industry databases and shared with any insurer who bothers to ask.

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In (the UK at least) your medical notes follow you as you sign on with a new GP (General Practitioner - first point of medical contact for anything non-urgent). Now knew this theoretically happened, but was quite bemused to see it happen in practice. I rescued a rat from the silken-jaws of my pseudo-homicidal cat, and the ungrateful rodent bit through half of my finger - I thought it would be sensible to have a check…

I'm not entirely convinced the UK/NHS should ever be used as a good example for handling medical notes, at least by today's standards. As a Brit who left the UK a while ago, I recently had cause to request my "medical records" from my former GP. Of course such data can presumably be requested via the UK's Data Protection Act, but the lack of any kind of standard process or checks really shocked me, given the care the…

Given the spotty, lost, inconsistent, difficult to access, difficult to share state of medical records in the US, getting a full set, easy peasy, seems like a wonderful problem to have.

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It absolutely 100% is at least the doctor’s job to know this. If you come back with depression again, the doctor needs to know what medications were used last time to treat you this time. They need to know if you had allergic reactions, no response, or other details regarding your medication history. The doctor may also be able to use a history of depression as a supporting factor for a new diagnosis. Your history of…

I have friends disqualified from legitimate jobs after taking Psych drugs from decades ago. Somehow I think there needs to be a line. Doctors have known the way around the system for quite a while.[0] EDIT: left original link tried to clarify. [0]: "I drive 300 miles to seek care and always pay in cash." http://www.idealmedicalcare.org/75-med-students-antidepressa...

Anyone who would ever consent to psychiatric care or treatment of any kind (especially pharma) should have their head examined! ;-) Seriously, the risks of seeking such care far outweigh the potential benefits in virtually every circumstance. NEVER forget that your EMR is forever - it will outlive you, and could well become a curse upon all your progeny.

Re: How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This goes back to the central thesis of the article: that interference from non-physicians (i.e. insurers, billers) are destroying the usefulness of notes. Physicians are bound by both a professional duty and oath as well as legal liability to keep your medical information in the strictest of confidence. But it is nearly impossible to know in advance when a particular piece of medical information will become importan…

I think this comment really hits it on the head. Your medical record is meant to be a confidential record read only by those who are sworn to care for and protect you, and by nobody else for no other purpose. As a student doctor it's alarming to think that people do not feel they can trust their doctor with their medical history. I wonder if this is particularly a problem with the US healthcare system.

I trust a few (definitely not most) doctors with medical information about me. I trust no EMRs, ever. I've worked with too many of them and seen how they're abused. Security and privacy in healthcare are a joke, and I say that as someone who once did massive-scale managed care systems for Fortune 50 companies. Anything I would deem personal and private I want to exist only in a paper record.

Re: How Did Our Medical Notes Become So Useless?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny-Looking-Kid (FLK) and other such diagnostic gems are present in notes of that vintage.

FLK isn't a diagnosis, but it is a useful clinical impression that might lead to one, even now.

Frequently, those are code words - for instance, at one hospital system I worked with, "quiet lady" might be used to describe a really slow, stupid woman, since they couldn't put "evidence of low intelligence, mental retardation, or mental instability" in the medical record for fear of legal repercussions...
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