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As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Post by jjulius »

InGodsName wrote: post #127
molteanu wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it is. I agree with your comment. I also think FB is the work of secret services, from its inception to the present day. I've seen Zuck talk, and he doesn't strike me as a specially smart guy. But he's young and always smiling, shows enthusiasm and that's what people need. It's a nice cover.

How Zuck doesn't seem smart? Have you seen " the social network " If you have to make assumption, let me make another data supported assumption, Zuck is Ashkenazi Jew, statistically he's got probability of having more IQ than a person belonging to some other ethinic group. /sarcasm Anyways, what makes you think he's not smart?

>How Zuck doesn't seem smart? Have you seen " the social network "

Because watching Zuckerberg played by someone else in a dramatized Hollywood film is a great way to tell if he is smart.

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Post by foolrush »

squish78 wrote: post #149
NelsonMinar wrote: post #140

I always wonder about the engineers at Facebook who implemented a feature like this. Someone like me, more or less. Did they stop to wonder why they were being told to bypass user privacy preferences? Did they raise any internal questions about ethics? Did any of them consider becoming a whistleblower? Or perhaps everyone who works for Facebook is convinced this kind of data sharing is OK?

Most likely why they aggressively hire college grads and keep the developer workforce young. I doubt they teach corporate ethics in any comp sci program.

Ethics, labour, and politics are intertwined. A single parent risks blacklisting and imploding a means of income, for example.

Markets regulate themselves to a profit driven “ethics” solution that reverberates.

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Post by fdgsdfgsd »

labster wrote: post #64
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #50

Deleted my Facebook nearly 6 months back. Never missed it Deleted my Instagram three weeks back because my feed was 1 ad for every 3 posts. Haven't missed it. If I could only get rid of Whatsapp, I would never need to use anything from this awful company

Install Signal, tell your friends. Although I tried getting one friend to switch today, didn't work because of network size. I'm afraid our only alternative is to organize all our really cool stuff on Signal and get 'em with FOMO.

I got my immediate family and the friends I care for (3?) to switch.

My family was easy. No pics of my daughter on any social network. "Y'all want pics? install Signal. If I catch you posting on FB, you're cut off"

Once mom installed Signal, the rest followed.

As to my friends, the ones I actually care for are privacy freaks like me - although they're not techies - and understood its importance.

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Post by fdgsdfgsd »

sneak wrote: post #22
ryanmccullagh wrote: post #15

Would MZ ever face criminal charges?

No. The laws under which he might possibly be charged are never applied to billionaires or those with sufficient connections in military or government. The rules for you and I are not the same rules for Zuckerberg or Clapper.

Don't forget to incl. Jeff. Epstein

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Post by navait »

squish78 wrote: post #149
NelsonMinar wrote: post #140

I always wonder about the engineers at Facebook who implemented a feature like this. Someone like me, more or less. Did they stop to wonder why they were being told to bypass user privacy preferences? Did they raise any internal questions about ethics? Did any of them consider becoming a whistleblower? Or perhaps everyone who works for Facebook is convinced this kind of data sharing is OK?

Most likely why they aggressively hire college grads and keep the developer workforce young. I doubt they teach corporate ethics in any comp sci program.

ABET requires an ethics course to get a computer science degree.

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Post by JansjoFromIkea »

breitling wrote: post #154
squish78 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely why they aggressively hire college grads and keep the developer workforce young. I doubt they teach corporate ethics in any comp sci program.

If someone in their 20s doesn't know much about ethics, then we're doing something wrong, as a society.

I'd imagine the issue is more that a recent graduate doesn't necessarily know when or how much to push back

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Post by vedantroy »

malloreon wrote: post #61

Question for the most of the people who read this who will still use fb/instagram/messenger all day, or even at all: is there something so bad that fb could do that would get you to stop? If so, what is it? Where is your red line? Or absent an alternative with fb's network effects, will you keep using their products regardless of the unseen costs you rack up?

I don't think FB has that many unseen costs.

I don't really care if FB sells my information to advertisers, so they can market products to me more effectively.

I don't care if FB co-operates with other companies in order to suggest friends to me.

FB adds a lot of value to my life (messaging & finding out about events).

What I truly dislike about FB is that it creates information bubbles, so people are never exposed to viewpoints outside of their own. Also FB doesn't regulate false information/alt-right propaganda enough.

Obviously, I would prefer if FB didn't sell my data, but at the end of the day it doesn't impact me at all.

That being said, if I ever become an important figure who is running a business that is competing with Facebook in some way, then I'll be sure not to use their service.

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Post by Abutere »

squish78 wrote: post #149
NelsonMinar wrote: post #140

I always wonder about the engineers at Facebook who implemented a feature like this. Someone like me, more or less. Did they stop to wonder why they were being told to bypass user privacy preferences? Did they raise any internal questions about ethics? Did any of them consider becoming a whistleblower? Or perhaps everyone who works for Facebook is convinced this kind of data sharing is OK?

Most likely why they aggressively hire college grads and keep the developer workforce young. I doubt they teach corporate ethics in any comp sci program.

There was a great bit in Ken Burns' Vietnam where vets explained how young soldiers will do anything you tell them. It's a part of being young and ready to prove yourself that makes young men so great for war. The vet said that the officers/leadership should be blamed for atrocities committed by soldiers since young men don't philosophize about what they are doing. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/05/29/ernst-juenger-war-m...

Re: As Facebook Raised a Privacy Wall, It Carved an Opening for Tech Giants

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Post by Abutere »

breitling wrote: post #154
squish78 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely why they aggressively hire college grads and keep the developer workforce young. I doubt they teach corporate ethics in any comp sci program.

If someone in their 20s doesn't know much about ethics, then we're doing something wrong, as a society.

That's just not the reality of it. You can't blame the young engineers, they simply don't understand what is going on and are eager to prove themselves. Also, anything at this large of a company is compartmentalized to the point that you might not even truly know what you are working on. The leadership however fully knows what is being done.
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