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Re: Google personalizes search results even when you’re logged out, new study finds

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I had actually forgotten about those until just now. I use Bing for most of my searching (I fall back to Google in the semi-rare cases where Bing doesn't work), and fake answer sites don't seem to be as prevalent on Bing. Maybe those sites tailor their SEO to Google's algorithms? Or maybe I've just grown numb to their presence.

Fake answers are another problem, I'm talking about stuff like Google dropping a word from my query because it feels there aren't enough results that include it. Edit because I can't reply any more: As dsfyu404ed says below, it tends to drop the central term of the query, making the results 100% useless. Not that they're particularly useful even if it doesn't do that...

Sadly DDG has recently adopted this antifeature too. A page of irrelvant results is served with a small disclaimer that "Not many results include ${DROPPED_SEARCH_WORD}"

I should investigate how to write a search plugin for Firefox that " puts" "every" "word" "in" "quotes"

Re: Google personalizes search results even when you’re logged out, new study finds

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You can try putting double-quotes around the model number. This is Google’s syntax for exact matches. For a good example, try searching for NYC both with and without quotes around it. Without quotes, you will get a much larger set of results where Google is trying to figure out what you mean when you say NYC… including results for New York City. This doesn’t always work exactly but in general if you are looking for e…

Double quotes keep getting less and less effective -- Google is progressively ignoring them more often when similar results are available. Worse, I've seen Google tell me that a term in double quotes simply doesn't exist on the web, when other engines will return many thousands of results. I seriously doubt that the competition has a bigger index! This is what finally put me on using DDG.

So DDG aka (bing / yandex) is better for double quotes.. maybe, but it could also be just an illusion, try same queries there and see.

Re: Google personalizes search results even when you’re logged out, new study finds

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post #159
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Do you have a citation that they do canvas fingerprinting or are you just guessing?

They don't. But welcome to HN Where conspiracy is more prevalent then truth.

I don’t know dude, it would take Google the whole of 5 minutes to publish how they track people. It’s not like they haven’t already prepared a contingency eg for congress.

You’re being really flippant about speculation, which is a total red herring. The point is they’re not honest.

Re: Google personalizes search results even when you’re logged out, new study finds

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post #159

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They don't. But welcome to HN Where conspiracy is more prevalent then truth.

I don’t know dude, it would take Google the whole of 5 minutes to publish how they track people. It’s not like they haven’t already prepared a contingency eg for congress. You’re being really flippant about speculation, which is a total red herring. The point is they’re not honest.

You mean they don't already explain it? Please.

Re: Google personalizes search results even when you’re logged out, new study finds

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post #104

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I'm aware of quotes, but I have two issues: 1. It's tiring to type quotes around every word every time. 2. It takes you to the other extreme. Just because I'm being more precise than Google thinks I am doesn't mean if I have 8 words in my query that all of them are mandatory. There is potential for a useful middle ground that quotes don't get me to.

Quotes are one of many operators google has for search (1). You can build very powerful search arguments with a handful of easy to use operators. Sometimes taking the time to type in the proper operators can save you much more time by bringing you to the content you are looking for faster. https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

Please quit helping. The thing is, until like 4 years ago, Google worked just fine without any operators. Then they improved it to the point you can't find anything specific any more.

Edit: Actually you could help. Show me where I set "Verbatim" as a permanent option :)

Re: Google personalizes search results even when you’re logged out, new study finds

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post #121

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The "even in Incognito" part of this is certainly the biggest result I see. And I agree on the study limitation; attempting to clean up localization effects after the fact doesn't feel like a strong fix. It should be possible to isolate device and location effects by using multiple devices in one location, then VPN-ing one device to multiple 'locations'. One thing that caught my eye was Google's response about Incogn…

it does not personalize results for incognito searches using signed-in search history To me this sounds reasonable. A very large number of searches are locality based, and it is entirely reasonable to localize them based on IP address (and - as you note - the device type). It's also reasonable to customize based on recent (session based) search history (refinements, spelling corrections, etc). The difference between…

Overall I agree with this, I definitely see why Googlers are frustrated at having all of this framed as 'personalization'.

But broadly, I see three bases for objecting to these changes.

First is the lack of user control. Like many other people in this thread I often want to turn off or 'rehome' localization, not just for weird developer use cases but for obvious stuff like "I'm about to travel and want results for that location". Disabling session-based changes is a rarer desire, but comes up sometimes when a correction or topic change is interpreted as a refinement that's biasing results. Fortunately, resetting Incognito should manage that. (I've never actually wanted to bypass device type adjustments except for dev work.)

Second is inadvertent bubbles. It's easy to imagine content-neutral rules like "show fast and mobile-friendly pages to smartphones" correlating with a meaningful content difference, and the same for location. Hard to really blame Google here, but again it'd be really nice to have the option of a "stop helping" setting.

Third is Google-driven bubbles. Some of the DuckDuckGo examples showed effects like national newspaper articles on a search for 'immigration' getting reordered, or pushing above and below non-news sources. (We can't know if that was caused by location or device type, but let's look at the case where it was.) That doesn't look like basic localization, it looks like non-local results being adjusted based on user location.

This wouldn't have to be anything purposeful; if you add location into your training set and reinforce on the usual 'success' metrics (e.g. first result clicked, final result clicked), you could easily learn that people in NYC and Houston have different behavior patterns and display accordingly. It's open to debate whether this is a bad thing, but it's certainly not what most people (including the Googler who responded to the article) mean when they say "localization".

Re: Google personalizes search results even when you’re logged out, new study finds

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Even if you did all that Google will track you. Whether they match up all your identities or not is another story.

Bring a laptop from your home back to your folks place and I bet they can make the connection...

No doubt whatsoever. A lot of those "Facebook is listening to my conversation" claims come from the fact that they'll associate people based on network locations, IPs, etc.

For example: You're at your friends house with the Facebook app, your friend clicks on an ad for socks. The next day you start seeing ads for socks despite not having any sock-related activity. This is just an oversimplified example.

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