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Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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If you have one cubesat, you'll probably use Starlink (once operational) instead of your own ground station.

Is starlink going to work for third party satellite communication? Somehow I assumed that the antennas would be directional towards earth. Also the proposed ground stations are said to be pizza box sized, a bit large for a cubesat if they can't be miniaturized.

Good question. I reached out to a contact at SpaceX to get more info.

Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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I'm... not convinced this is a decent offering. At the same time, I'm repeatedly wrong with this whole cloud computing, so maybe I'm just that person stuck with the old ways and telling everyone else they're doing it wrong. But it seems like a recipe that combines so many of the worst parts of running a groundstation. The setup can't easily be specialized enough to really milk capability (say, different ways to corre…

Is buying a 'turn-key' dish going to be easier than using their service? I assume the 'can't easily be specialized enough to really milk capability' part also applies to the off-the-shelf system (disclaimer: I know zilch about this). They say it's going to save at least 80% over the cost of operating your own, can only assume they will price it very competitively and have done the math. Hard to say anything without s…

That’s what I was thinking! Invent it for DoD, sell it to everyone else.

Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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I'm... not convinced this is a decent offering. At the same time, I'm repeatedly wrong with this whole cloud computing, so maybe I'm just that person stuck with the old ways and telling everyone else they're doing it wrong. But it seems like a recipe that combines so many of the worst parts of running a groundstation. The setup can't easily be specialized enough to really milk capability (say, different ways to corre…

I definitely agree with this. It looks very good on paper but the implementation is often just as difficult as developing your own groundstation. I used to work in mission operations at a small commercial satellite company and we looked at using a service such as the one Amazon is expecting to provide still required installing additional satcom modems and equipment at the groundstation.

That said, there was significant difficulty in getting a dedicated groundstation due to real estate and licensing issues. So I think that it is still an attractive option for those who may not be able to furnish their own ground station depending on the constraints of the mission.

Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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Can you give an example of "refined" data versus what one might get through the AWS product? ... in order to demonstrate the sort of tech skills and effort that differentiate the two. I'm basically hoping for some symbol grounding for "data refinery". Also, what's the TAM in your specific market vs the AWS product's market? How has the TAM changed in the past 5 years? Lastly, I heard your head of engineering brews be…

Refined data probably means getting insights from the vast amount of aerial imagery (and related like SAR or elevation model) data that has become available in recent years. Having access to the data is one thing (e.g. Landsat and Sentinel provided by Google, Amazon and other parties), but processing it efficiently is still non-trivial. Examples include Land-Cover-Mapping (mapping pixels to classes like forests, urba…

Yeah these are classic examples of 'providing business value'. Want to be an agricultural tech company? Ingest some satellite data and calculate NDVI, boom you now know machine learning, data science, and have created a great business product that helps save the world by making farmers better.

Satellite data imo sucks, especially aerial imagery. Too many damn clouds to get anything useful in real time haha!

Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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> Anyone that cares about the data quality they are getting from their satellites is not going to trust a 3rd party solution. Please explain this, I don't understand why it would be the case.

People that record music professionally don't buy an android phone and settle for that because of the severe restrictions on the hardware optimisation it imposes. Likewise, people that are concerned about optimising the radio link are not likely to accept restrictions in the receiver design for instance.

What kind of restrictions? Isn't a VITA data stream broadband SDR data? The entire radio implementation would seemingly be under the control of the client.

Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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> Anyone that cares about the data quality they are getting from their satellites is not going to trust a 3rd party solution. Please explain this, I don't understand why it would be the case.

the RF signal that the antenna receives is affected by a number of environmental factors as it travels from the satellite to the antenna.

I would assume that one of the value propositions of having many ground stations to choose from is that one could simply rent one that was closest to the next flyover.

So I'm curious what factors you are thinking of that would not make sense as part of the service offering but would be needed by would-be customers of the service?

Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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Imagine Amazon building and launching satellites like space based data centers. AWS in orbit. You could provision VMs on a satellite equipped with an array of general sensors, cameras, etc.

AWS OrbitalNuke - one way physical hashing service

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That’s because they’re telescopes. NASA’s telescopes are basically spy satellites pointed outwards.

> NASA’s telescopes are basically spy satellites pointed outwards. Literally in at least one case. The NRA donated two surveillance satellites to NASA back in 2012 [1] and the plan is to fly one of them as the WFIRST telescope [2]. I don't think there is a launch date yet. [1] https://www.space.com/16000-spy-satellites-space-telescopes-... [2] https://spaceflightnow.com/2016/02/18/nasa-moves-forward-wit...

> The NRA

NRO damnit

Re: AWS Ground Station – Ingest and Process Data from Orbiting Satellites

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There are a number of satellites with publicly available downlinks (think NOAA weather sats). I'm curious about why I'd need to register that NORAD ID with my AWS account to be able to receive that data - is it just so that the orbital passes will show up appropriately when I want to reserve a contact or something?

(Also, the "imaginary" sat that was added to the account in this case was in fact NOAA 15. That one actually transmits realtime imagery to the ground that anyone can receive).

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