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Re: Tulsa Remote

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Random thought: why doesn’t the DNC use all their money to fund voter relocation programs? Surely the surplus of California and New York voters could move the needle if they were injected into smaller districts across the board.

I can’t articulate how your comment makes me feel, but please no.

I’m not advocating for it, I’m earnestly asking why they don’t.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What city do you live in and do you judge them by what they did 100 years ago? Not sure why that is relevant.

Are you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.

By extension do you judge and dismiss everyone living in Germany today with the same rationale?

Re: Tulsa Remote

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It seems like every dozen threads or so in the last year have at least one thread with bizarrely cantankerous / dismissive replies, with a few lonely voices saying when did you all get so unhappy? Tulsa's initiative here is really, really good . It doesn't matter if you want to live in Tulsa, specifically (fine! don't move!), and it doesn't matter if the incentive is high enough to make it Worth It to You Personally.…

I couldn't read more than halfway through the comments before coming back to yours. It's such a shame. Kaiser's effort is quite impressive. Tulsa realizes that the best way to bust all of the stereotypes is to bring people in that will be that change. This will probably turn out well for them. I think that targeting remote workers instead of startups is a much smarter approach. We already have the incomes and once we've put down roots, we're likely to remain. Bring enough remote tech workers in and the startups will naturally follow.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What city do you live in and do you judge them by what they did 100 years ago? Not sure why that is relevant.

Are you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.

Sins of the father..

Re: Tulsa Remote

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It seems like every dozen threads or so in the last year have at least one thread with bizarrely cantankerous / dismissive replies, with a few lonely voices saying when did you all get so unhappy? Tulsa's initiative here is really, really good . It doesn't matter if you want to live in Tulsa, specifically (fine! don't move!), and it doesn't matter if the incentive is high enough to make it Worth It to You Personally.…

I actually liked the idea.. until you made the HQ2 comparison.

Now I'm trying to find a reason why subsidising young, educated, upper-middle class professionals is morally defensible, considering there are still millions of children in the US alone growing up in poverty and chronic food insecurity.

I understand the cash flow may end up net positive for Tulsa when/if people end up staying. But that's not guaranteed. In fact, this is a self-selected group of people defined by exactly their willingness to move when there are opportunities elsewhere.

And there's the risk that it just sets of a competitive race-to-the-bottom. I guess we'd all like our taxes to be cut in half. But US tax rates are already extremely low.

The sort of targeted tax break for a very specific slice of the population also feels...icky? It's no longer progressive taxation with everyone contributing according to their means. It's "I'm young, single, and work with buzzwords. Therefore I don't pay taxes." (10 years later: "I have children and my wife is sick. They know I can't leave and my tax rate quintupled".

Edit: just noticed it's privately financed, undercutting the meat of my complaints. But only until some other city uses public money to keep up.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure about everyone else, but I can point to a very specific date as to when we all became unhappy

Being angry, stressed, pissed, or sad about Trump does not serve you. It won't improve anything, it won't make your wealthier or give you more time with friends and family, or make you popular. It will only serve to give you heartburn, distract you from your job and your relationships and friendships. I think you would be doing yourself a huge favor to block social media and news sites on your browser and focus on wh…

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The United States is a democracy, and the Constitution was framed with the expectation that citizens have the right and even the duty to be both locally and federally involved.

If someone's mental health is at risk, I'm right there with you - throw out Twitter and see a doctor. But being angry at the federal government is just about as American as a cheeseburger, and it's not useless. Demonstrations work, anger works. If for no other reason than so kids 20 years from now don't ask "and everyone was just ok with that?"

I appreciate you're trying to help people but I disagree with your prescription. It whiffs of "your actions don't matter, peasant."

Re: Tulsa Remote

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Posted on the sister thread... I think this is a really smart move, but not enough. Most remote employees, well, the ones they want to attract, make good money. 10k frankly isn't much, especially to uproot and move. Tulsa isn't really near anything, nor does it have a fallback job market. Speaking for myself, maybe 30k or a free small house could convince me, not 10k and a possibly discounted apartment...

Yeah. The $10k is essentially a relocation package for anyone with a family and a house. Clearly those folks are not the target audience, sadly.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.

By extension do you judge and dismiss everyone living in Germany today with the same rationale?

To be fair, they underwent Denazification

Re: Tulsa Remote

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I'm saddened by all of the negativity in these comments. So many people falling back on the old stereotypes of the South and Midwest, people who have clearly not spent time in these places. I live in a small city in Kansas and have worked remotely for SFBA tech companies for over 10 years. I moved here from the Seattle area. I can tell you that life is amazing when you make Bay Area money and live in a small Midwestern city. You can build a beautiful, new house with lots of space and spend far less than rent on a SF 1 bedroom apartment. You can walk to work--drivers are friendly out here--at a coworking facility (we have two in my little town alone) and eat lunch for less than $10 no problemo. You can find almost anything you need locally and if you can't find it here, you'll have plenty of spare cash to book a five-star hotel room in the big city for the weekend and go shopping.

People are super friendly and contrary to what so many of you mistakenly believe, not judgmental. Gay couples live openly and happpily here. I've never met a racist or seen anything racist; indeed, nearly half of the houses on my block here in the affluent side of town are either black or mixed-race families. Kids play in the streets together every day and they can walk to the bus stop without the parents worrying about an Uber driver running them over.

I hope that someone here takes Kaiser/Tulsa up on their offer and reports back. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Re: Tulsa Remote

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It seems like every dozen threads or so in the last year have at least one thread with bizarrely cantankerous / dismissive replies, with a few lonely voices saying when did you all get so unhappy? Tulsa's initiative here is really, really good . It doesn't matter if you want to live in Tulsa, specifically (fine! don't move!), and it doesn't matter if the incentive is high enough to make it Worth It to You Personally.…

There’s some report bias involved. People tend to share disagreement. But I agree, the original positivity-first tone of this forum is decaying fast. I’ve noticed downvoting to express disagreement also becomes prevalent. It really takes a massive effort, and probably godly miracle, to maintain a community focused on positive energies.
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