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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by ksec » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:16 AM UTC

I wish we could offer prestige in these price / number comparison, not only in different currency, but also the tax rate and incentives. Example in US large part of your paid isn't really "Salary", but bonus package. And if we could at least includes median rent and price of a Big Mac.

In location A where you earn 200K a year but requires you to paid 100K in tax, and spend 50K on rental, versus location B where you paid 20K in tax and 20K in Rental, you actually earn a little more in the 100K package.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by gettalo » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:17 AM UTC

HN could have anonymous, expiring accounts.

Italy. I am 30 now.

2012 €500/mo, €1000/mo after 6 months "body rental"

2013 €25k + car associate consultant in IT company

2014 €30k + car consultant in same IT company

2015 €37k IT business analyst in large manufacturing company

2016 €40k same

2017 €42k same

2018 €42k same

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by C1sc0cat » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:19 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #14

akhilcacharya wrote: post #3

I don’t know if I’m misreading it but did OP include the value of the options or did they just leave them unexercised? Box did IPO, and obviously Yahoo was liquid the entire time. What was the total compensation be like with these numbers?

The message buried is: stock options, even of large companies are most of the time worthless. The exceptions are a position at a company that strikes it big, or safe bets such as Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. The latter also have the advantage that once you do have stock you can relatively easily dispose of it if you want to. Other than that is a complete lottery.

For the FSTE 350 and up in the UK the common share save's are a one way bet in favour of the employee

The problem with share options is the vicious way the IRS taxes them its almost like the USA isn't set up to support individual's getting rich.

We are just getting an EMI where I now work will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by C1sc0cat » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:21 AM UTC

yetanotherburnr wrote: post #124

Yet another White Male. Salaries are actually from multiple different countries, but I've converted all to GBP (as that's what I think in, mostly). Which has varied in value a lot over the years, so probably take it with a grain of salt. 1997 £18k First real web-dev work 1999 £60k Contract developer making the most of the dotcom boom 2000 £45k First attempt at running my own business (didn't go well) 2002 £28k Took a…

For a data point when I started in 1979 at a world leading R&D organisation in the UK I was on £1620pa :-) about a 1/3 of the rate the scientific civil service was paying.

Though my first job at 15 was working in the local library as a shelver for 35p an hour

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by arun6582 » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:25 AM UTC

sures wrote: post #136

madmax108 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, salaries in India differ VASTLY across companies, FAANG or otherwise, depending on whether the org looks at the India center as a cost-saving measure, or as a secondary RnD center. And also, if the org is more services based (the notorious Infy/Wipro/Accenture types) or actually building products. The latter almost always pays more. I'm a non-IIT Masters graduate with 3.5 years of experience and I wo…

Good point. One more point - salaries differ vastly in the same company too. These days it happens in many companies that a very senior folk with 10+ years experience makes something like 2000000 INR (28000 USD) but a fresh college undergraduate is made an offer that is 3000000 INR (41000 INR). It sounds contradictory and pisses the senior folks off but that's the reality of the Indian IT market today.

are you giving factual information or are just pissed off on tier 1 college freshers getting such salary. Not every fresher get such salaries

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by gettalo » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:25 AM UTC

dmarucco wrote: post #120

This is certainly an intresting post and i likethe OP attitude. We should be totally transparent about our compensation as he did. Salary is just the result of a negotiation, nothing else, in the majority of cases it does not reflect anything more than your "perceived" value. White male born in the '88 in Italy. I have a bachelor degree and working since 2008. Here in Italy is quite uncommon to have big jumps in sala…

Isn't 32k a bit low for a laureato with 10year experience?

https://www.hays.it/cs/groups/hays_common/@it/@content/docum...

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by lordnacho » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:29 AM UTC

LandR wrote: post #148

freditup wrote: post #26

I'm actually surprised that as a 'Principal Architect' he was only making $208,000 a year. Considering that entry-level positions at large companies which can have cash compensation of around $150,000+, it seems he may have been 'underpaid'. Of course $208,000 is nothing to scoff at, and money is hardly the most important thing when it comes to life. Just interesting to see that a reasonably large Bay-area company wo…

In the US, maybe. In other countries like the UK, a principal architect is probably not getting half that. I would guess from a quick google that an architect in the UK is on around £50k to £70k. Which is $63k to $90k. I'm a senior software engineer with around 10years experience. I'm on £38k ($48k) plus a very small bonus, maybe £2 to £3k if I'm lucky. Last job was a mid-level engineer on £28k. I've seen junior deve…

Depends a lot on whether you are in finance. Plenty of people there are on £150k or more coding for front office stuff. My LinkedIn always has someone touting 200k or more roles.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by elf4 » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:30 AM UTC

LandR wrote: post #148

freditup wrote: post #26

I'm actually surprised that as a 'Principal Architect' he was only making $208,000 a year. Considering that entry-level positions at large companies which can have cash compensation of around $150,000+, it seems he may have been 'underpaid'. Of course $208,000 is nothing to scoff at, and money is hardly the most important thing when it comes to life. Just interesting to see that a reasonably large Bay-area company wo…

In the US, maybe. In other countries like the UK, a principal architect is probably not getting half that. I would guess from a quick google that an architect in the UK is on around £50k to £70k. Which is $63k to $90k. I'm a senior software engineer with around 10years experience. I'm on £38k ($48k) plus a very small bonus, maybe £2 to £3k if I'm lucky. Last job was a mid-level engineer on £28k. I've seen junior deve…

To compare I'm mid 20s and I'm making £80,000 working in London as a Software Engineer.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by apexalpha » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:33 AM UTC

sunaurus wrote: post #141

I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

My #2 = €45k or so, but in my country (Netherlands) this number, usually, doesn't include pension contributions which are 6k a year in my firm. I don't actually know how much #3 is. But my #1 = (2330 * 12) * 1,125% (end of year bonus).

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Post by gettalo » Wed, Oct 31, 2018, 9:34 AM UTC

sunaurus wrote: post #141

I always wonder when I read about salaries in other countries - what do the numbers usually mean? Not sure if this is how it works everywhere, but where I live, we have 3 different ways of talking about salary: 1) What you actually get 2) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes 3) What you actually get + what you pay in taxes + what your employer pays in taxes Usually we talk about #2 when discussing salaries.…

In Italy, as far as I know, there's only 1) and 3). Usually If we refer to a yearly salary, it's 3), if we refer to the monthly sum, it's the take home pay, so 1).