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Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by amyjess »

krustyburger wrote: post #60
mohammedbin wrote: post #59

Something I somehow doubt too many of you would know but 4chan, despite being considered an unsavoury place because of certain subsections of it (which I'm not proud to admit I visit to learn what "the other side" is talking about), has a lot of great communities as well and I usually find the discussion quality there better than reddit. Also, in the context of this thread, 4chan is an ephemeral site so there is no s…

What are some of the worthwhile communities?

I don't know what it's like now, but for a time /m/ was a major hub of the tokusatsu community, and most of the major fansubbing groups got their start on /m/.

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by VLM »

Notorious_BLT wrote: post #99
CPLX wrote: post #6

Also lending strong support for the infinite number of monkeys theorem.

I think you misunderstand the population of 4chan. Across its diverse boards, there's all kind of people, and they don't fit into a single mold. For example, all kind of skilled laborers and handy homeowners, many with families, frequent the /diy/ board. The technology board /g/ is host to a lot of talented, high-earning programmers mixed in with tinkerer types. /toy/ is full of all kinds of folks, from teenagers wit…

I would both agree with and disagree with the claim that anonymity provides higher quality conversation, free of virtue signalling.

On one hand, there's /out/ focusing on outdoor hobby/lifestyle discussions which only has a minor infestation of Mora knife meme. Admittedly I own two Moras and those are excellent outdoor knives so the boundary between meme and reality is fuzzy. Other than that, /out/ is very civilized and contains extremely high quality content.

On the other hand, there's /fit/ which seems to consist entirely of lifting broscience despite being anonymous.

It is possible I'm missing the point because this discrepency reflects actual reality in that there is a useful objective opinion of, for example, proper medical foot care for long distance hiking or burn care, but there really is no one size fits all simple magic recipe for power lifting gains or "the" correct body building diet.

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by VLM »

hood_syntax wrote: post #109
krustyburger wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some of the worthwhile communities?

If you are a video game enthusiast, particularly of a niche genre, /vg/ can be a good place. I'm really into roguelikes, so I visit the '/rlg/' thread around once a week to see what's going on and potentially get some advice if I'm at a tricky part in a run or need to make a decision about where to take my character. Standard disclaimer applies about 4chan. If you're thin-skinned, you may find it not worth the troubl…

/tg/ is truly excellent for non-video game discussion (board games, card games, w40k, MtG, etc). They are a bit opinionated much like /vg/ and I'd agree, thin skinned people will be happiest if they stay away. For example there is little love for Paizo/Pathfinder on /tg/ (although there are some fans...)

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by theogravity »

adamrezich wrote: post #132

If anyone's trying to figure out what the "Haruhi Problem" is, logically, because it took me awhile to grok: You have a `n`-episode show, and you want to watch every episode in every possible order. However, if one series-watch-through ends with episode `x` and the next series-watch-through in sequence begins with that same episode `x`, you don't have to watch episode `x` twice in a row. Given these constraints, how…

The "Haruhi" part refers to a novel/manga/anime/game series titled "Haruhi Suzumiya", where the anime episodes were purposely aired out of order.

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by VLM »

krustyburger wrote: post #60
mohammedbin wrote: post #59

Something I somehow doubt too many of you would know but 4chan, despite being considered an unsavoury place because of certain subsections of it (which I'm not proud to admit I visit to learn what "the other side" is talking about), has a lot of great communities as well and I usually find the discussion quality there better than reddit. Also, in the context of this thread, 4chan is an ephemeral site so there is no s…

What are some of the worthwhile communities?

I spend a lot of time on /out/ as in outdoor hobbies because I live in a "recreational state". No online community is 100% perfect but its bizarre how /out/ is on average more civilized than heavily moderated communities.

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by swebs »

throwaway27940 wrote: post #119
Notorious_BLT wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstand the population of 4chan. Across its diverse boards, there's all kind of people, and they don't fit into a single mold. For example, all kind of skilled laborers and handy homeowners, many with families, frequent the /diy/ board. The technology board /g/ is host to a lot of talented, high-earning programmers mixed in with tinkerer types. /toy/ is full of all kinds of folks, from teenagers wit…

Yeah, what you said was true maybe five years ago. There used to be quirky geek types being ironic all the time and making cool stuff. When I left though it was all Nazis and people who somehow stand Nazis 'interjecting' every few comments about the IQ of black people or evil SJWs. This can drain even the kindest, strongest soul. Even moot got tired of it and sold it to that Japanese con man.

Huh? I just looked through the /diy/ board catalog and saw nothing like that.

http://boards.4chan.org/diy/catalog

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by [deleted] »

dijhrykl wrote: post #57

For those not familiar with the series in question, there's a reason why, if you're going to choose a TV series to discuss permutations, you'd choose Haruhi. "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya" is a 14-episode anime adaptation which aired in 2006. Unusually, it broadcast its episodes not in chronological order, but in a mixed order, but for good theatrical reason; the series comprises a main plot arc, and various sel…

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Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by scott_s »

I have co-authored a paper where we cited the solution in a StackOverflow post. See reference 1: https://www.scott-a-s.com/files/debs2017_daba.pdf

I noticed that in a paper written by different authors, rather than citing the StackOverflow post when discussing that solution, cited our paper above.

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by VLM »

swebs wrote: post #141
krustyburger wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are some of the worthwhile communities?

/diy/ is really great. Generally post quality is inversely proportional to board popularity. Also avoid any board related to entertainment if you want rational discussion.

To provide a concrete example of why /diy/ is great, most "diy-ish" discussion boards I participate in devolve into "look how awesome I am" "look how much money/debt I can spend" "I am more of an authority than you" "my favorite authority could kick the butt of your favorite authority" and similar self-aggrandizement-posting. People on /diy/ actually talk about /diy/ topics, which is a refreshing change from most non-anon non-chan discussion boards. Its a relatively low-sophistry zone... emphasis on relatively...

The biggest problem I see on /diy/ is questionable humor, sort of like how blue collar occupations used to haze the apprentices a bit, you'll see the most ridiculous / comical suggestions sometimes.

Re: Nobody knows how to cite 4chan mathematicians who solved an interesting problem

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Post by mynewtb »

rspeer wrote: post #86
tokai wrote: post #73

It is a fun little event that something posted on 4chan is used in a research paper. But that nobody knows how it should be cited is just plain wrong. They should maybe contact their research library and get a introduction to citing. All citation styles I know of can handle web citations. Anonymous authors is nothing new either. And you have things like the internet archive or Webcite[0] to make sure the web document…

It's not that nobody knows how to cite it, it's that nobody wants to cite things from outside of academia, perhaps because it lowers their own perceived prestige. I have seen this in computational linguistics where people frequently don't cite their data sources, which often come from outside of the field or outside academia altogether. Instead they put a link to a webpage in a footnote, which does nothing for assign…

Why would you cite a paper on the technical details of your data source in linguistics?
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