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This is Gustaf from YC. I wrote the first Carbon Removal RFS. Planting tree is actually a great carbon removal technology. Unfortunately most forest owners in the world don't know or don't have incentive to care the about the carbon impact the forest have on the climate. Biggest reason forests are taken down is to grow cattle for beef. If you are working on a startup to reverse this we'd like to fund it too

Well, The other thing with trees is that they aren't permanent carbon sinks in the way that coal underground is. Wood will eventually rot or burn and release it's carbon. Human beings have taken carbon in the form of hydrocarbons underground and released is into the C02 - O2 cycle in the air. The main way to solve this would seem to be putting it back into the ground. So, reverse coal-mining? Turning wood into charco…

That's called bio-char, and is referenced in the submitted link here.

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I'm very happy to see this new interest in saving our planet among the tech elites (this includes the recent post from Bill Gates). Maybe we are not all too stupid to save our planet...

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I thought that the biggest problem with the "seeding the ocean with iron" method of sequestration was not the "qualms of environmentalists" but that it turned out to sequester a lot less carbon than initially thought?

Its sequestration efficacy is not well-established yet. I think that more experiments should be run to better quantify the effects. Some environmentalists oppose even additional research-scale trials. Some proponents of iron fertilization have internalized "some environmentalists oppose this, and efficacy still has large error bars" as "it probably works great but technophobic environmentalists want us to suffer depr…

From the appearances, it has a lot of potential. Iron is extremely plentiful and has a very large impact on the small systems it was tried.

It is possible that inefficiencies take such a toil that it stops being viable, but it's not the opposition that make people think it can have a large impact.

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How about investing in lobbying? If $10B were sent to politicians, perhaps they’d implement a carbon tax? The future of the world is presently in the hands of pasty white men on Capitol Hill. Why not sequester their carbon (hot air) first?

Washington State is voting this week on a carbon tax. That future is now, should voters choose it.

How this is not on top of HN for the past month?

It's not the first time I see a comment like "actually, a $critical-legislation is under vote this/next week somewhere". It feels that the important cases lack marketing.

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The launch volume looks infeasibly large in the foreseeable future, but I don't think the station keeping problem is that bad. Any sun shade is basically going to be a solar sail already and steering via LCD panels like IKAROS did should be sufficient. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKAROS

The problem is you now need some actual structure rather than just some thin sheets / inflatable structure or whatever. Further applying even small amounts of force across huge sheets adds up while as you say it's acting like a solar sail. That is to say it's clearly still possible, just not as cheap as people are assuming.

IKAROS handled that by spinning very slowly to remain rigid with centrifugal force. To be practical you really can't have one single structure but a swarm of medium sized shades would work much better.

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Can we discuss space sunshades? Assuming the cost of getting freight to orbit goes down substantially as companies like SpaceX ramp up launches, what's the limiting parameter on some sort of sunshade over the north and/or south pole? Is it indeed the cost of launching the sunshade, or are there other factors at play which make the space sunshade unrealistic? What materials would be reflective and resilient and cost-e…

How would you keep a sunshade over one pole? Keeping anything over a single spot requires a geostationary orbit, which by definition is only possible on the equator. I suppose you could have a bunch of shades in a geosynchronous polar orbit, but I suspect they'd still be more effective over the equator, just because it gets more sunlight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statite

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An obvious step towards reducing CO2 emissions in the US would be raising taxes on gasoline. Americans are driving ever larger and less fuel-efficient cars in part because gas prices have remained steady or fallen in real terms since the 70s. In fact, Ford announced a few months ago that they will stop selling passenger cars in the US (except the Mustang), to focus on more popular trucks and SUVs. But this is just ab…

If the article posted last week is to be believed [1], which I do, then transportation makes up a relatively small portion of emissions (14%).

Also, the demand for gasoline is very inelastic. Very little driving done today is for pleasure, so the cost would have to be raised so much that people are reducing driving out of necessity/looking for alternatives.

Finally, consumption taxes on necessities act regressively (ie the poor are taxed proportionally more than the rich).

[1] https://www.gatesnotes.com/Energy/My-plan-for-fighting-clima...

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I mean, do we know that local toxic algae blooms are the only effect this will have? This to me smells like it could have potential unforeseen consequences like the Deepwater Horizon cleanup.

The point is perhaps that we know we're driving off a cliff. Is this going to slow us down or not? If you look at the proposals, what does setting up half the land mass of the Sahara as algae lagoons do? How does that affect local weather patterns, wildlife, Etc. The argument that the action may be dangerous is not as compelling when the prognosis for inaction is bleak.

But that's missing the point. You're saying that we have to then sell these two messages - one of which is being supported by actors that are not acting in good faith.

Message 1: yes, this could have unpredictable and devastating consequences in new and exciting ways, and you are directly responsible for it.

Message 2: (current message) we shouldn't do that and you're already doing enough because you have a more fuel efficient truck than you had in the 90's, and you use LED lights.

For most people, that's what's in the back of their head, I would argue. (note that I'm not agreeing with either).

How do you sell that?

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Anything you can do in space would be cheaper on earth. So rather than shading the pole by spreading ~100,000 sq. km of material in orbit, instead ask why we wouldn't spread the same shade cloth / reflective mylar etc. on the surface of the earth. Then you realize how much of a colossal project it is and how completely impractical is is.

That's why you set up orbital infrastructure so that you don't have to bring up everything from Earth and can just mine stuff in space.

It's way too late for that. Recent UN report basically says we're hosed by 2040.

We do not have decades to develop a mature space-mining and construction industry.

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