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Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by josteink » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 6:05 PM UTC

s_kilk wrote: post #27

sanqui wrote: post #7

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The planned release of Fedora 29 was just yesterday pushed back by a week due to blocker bugs. Personally, this sort of quality control is what makes me really appreciate Fedora. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-2...

Sample-size of one here, but I switched to Fedora a few years back after growing tired of Ubuntu's bugs. I haven't had any real issues since, it's just solid.

Sample-size of one here, but I switched to Fedora a few years back after growing tired of Ubuntu lagging with Wayland. I haven't had any real issues since, but I really wanted ZFS so I’m back on Ubuntu.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by barrow-rider » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 6:33 PM UTC

swalsh wrote: post #110

tapoxi wrote: post #78

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I don't see how Ubuntu is any less complicated than say, Fedora. I also really don't like their use of CLAs and their attempt to use their desktop presence to push Ubuntu-specific technologies like Mir, Unity, and Snap.

As a Fedora user, I'd be one of the first to admit that Ubuntu is more user friendly. The installation of the graphics drivers for example was a HUGE pain on Fedora. Getting everything in gnome setup was quite a chore. Printer setup was a pain That said, i've found the long term stability of Fedora to be better than Ubuntu. The main reason I switched was I had a few instances where I upgraded, and several things on m…

From Fedora 26-on Drivers have been pretty good. Nvidia card works great with the binary-blob from the RPMfusion repo, and no issues with using the Brother network printer.

Pre-26 I'd agree with you.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by type0 » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 6:57 PM UTC

bpye wrote: post #130

severino wrote: post #109

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What I don't like about Fedora is its release cycle, forcing you to upgrade every year or so. With Ubuntu I can still be getting updates for a sytem installed four years ago now. I also don't like the lack of many packages inside the official repositories, compared to Canonical's. And lastly, well, I feel a little bit uncomfortable when using their specific tools like, for example, dnf, or their configuration convent…

Would RHEL/CentOS not serve a similar purpose to the Ubuntu LTS releases, if a little less suitable for workstation use?

CentOS would be more similar to Debian stable

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by anonlastname » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 7:35 PM UTC

apatters wrote: post #153

apexalpha wrote: post #71

Despite recieving enormous amounts of backlash and criticism from the tech comunity every release Canonical is the one company making Linux desktops available for less technical people and I applaud them for doing so! Rocking the latest LTS here, and Ubuntu server on my homeserver. Wish them all the luck!

From the perspective of a desktop user they are phoning it in. Gnome is upgraded to the latest release and they made some theme tweaks. The desktop feature list is humiliatingly short. It's not entirely Canonical's fault. No one ever figured out how to make money off of desktop, consumer Linux. Mark was at least honest about it, they tried, it didn't work, server is a better way to make money, they aren't investing a…

I get the feeling that Ubuntu is basically a finished product. What major changes would you have expected to see if Canonical had more money?

The only thing I can think of is to replace the god awful default text editor. I noticed they changed it a while ago (from when it was called Gedit) but it's still garbage. Not that this really matters when we have Emacs...

As a user, I'm happy with ubuntu. Stability is important to me.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by reitanqild » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 8:13 PM UTC

Already__Taken wrote: post #119

teekert wrote: post #100

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You should also consider KDE Neon, an 18.04 base but KDE/Plasma directly from the devs. If you use Snaps for your useland tools you have very stable base and a super up-to-date userland. I'm very happy with it.

Isn't Neon the bleeding edge release for plasma though? Or would you just call it 1st party supported

They have two editions:

User edition

and

Developer Edition Git-Unstable64

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by marenkay » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 8:20 PM UTC

Shish2k wrote: post #156

marenkay wrote: post #98

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Considering the amount of harsh replies this got: I merely wanted to know if it is technically possible. Not if it is feasible, nice, makes sense. It was a question. Do not 4chan me.

If you wanted to know " can you use rsync?" (a technical yes/no question), perhaps you should have asked that, instead of asking " why use dropbox?" (a subjective preference question)? To answer the question of " can you use rsync instead of dropbox?" - yes, it is "technically possible" to use rsync to transfer files between multiple devices. I don't understand why you would ask this question though, because everythi…

You did not read as well. The only question I asked was if you could fake the ext4 using docker. Nothing else. The rest does not have a question mark.

You answered a question I did never ask.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by marenkay » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 8:36 PM UTC

Shish2k wrote: post #151

marenkay wrote: post #40

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Couldn't you just fake it in a container pretending it was ext4? Apart from the real question: why Dropbox when you can rsync and others.

> why Dropbox when you can rsync I've been thinking about this attitude a lot recently, and realising how much it's holding back open source - - since everybody said "rsync is good enough", we stopped innovating file sync tools in the 90's; and it was only when dropbox came along that we realised what we were missing, and now open-source is playing catch-up and is still behind (I'm using syncthing myself, but I still…

One thing you keep forgetting: your polished 80s software is running the world. Not Slack, not Discord.

You can kill of Slack, no one will be less productive, have a worse work day.

Shut down something old like shell scripting, and almost every IT company on this planet will be down for months if not years.

If you want to improve, you have to start where it begins. Tech starts with small things, but not with Electron apps.

Innovate for all tech people, and thus enable fancy stuff. Make shell scripting as good as writing shell tools in go.

I am with you in terms of iteration and improvements but I get the feeling you have never had to deal with scenarios where guarantees needed to be given for life or death situations. And those are usually the reasons for things you find antiquated or odd. It's worth investigating, I promise.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by marenkay » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 8:38 PM UTC

scns wrote: post #77

marenkay wrote: post #44

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The harsh reality is that every distribution has these last-minute creepers. More user engagement would help here, much more than crying for the next distro. Use whatever you like since each has their own policies for a reason that makes sense IMHO. If you do not care for professional/commercial use cases, install Arch Linux. It almost never breaks (zero times for me in six years of use) and always has the latest and…

I would recommend Manjaro. Arch based, updates come after two weeks of testing by the developers. It is even possible to install on f2fs. Never broke for me.

Is that realistic to test thousands of packages in two weeks? Automated build tests are everywhere anyway and more than that is not done for Manjaro as well.

The real testers here are probably Arch users having access to these updates weeks earlier and reporting bugs and fixing them.

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by hyperbovine » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 8:43 PM UTC

teekert wrote: post #121

tomschlick wrote: post #102

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Thats officially supported. I have personally run stuff a year or two older than official support multiple times with 0 issues. And 6 years is typically the lifecycle of any laptop. By that point most people start looking for a new one.

My 2011 mbp is doing very well with a new battery, ssd and some extra RAM. I will still receive security updates for years if I'm correct but no more mayor updates indeed.

Man I love my 2012 rMBP. I recently left it on a flight and was devastated. Got it back, luckily. Greatest laptop ever made. I'm taking that thing to the grave...

Re: Ubuntu 18.10 Cosmic Cuttlefish Released

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Post by brendaningram » Fri, Oct 19, 2018, 10:14 PM UTC

stplsd wrote: post #16

brendaningram wrote: post #9

Unfortunately, I think Canonical has lost their focus on the desktop user. Every version of Ubuntu since 16.04 has had major issues for me. I have given every one of them a chance to redeem themselves, right up to today trying 18.10. Still no dice... For me, as boring as it sounds, Debian 9 (Stretch) with XFCE is rock solid as a daily driver. I'm not some fuddy duddy doing nothing but text editing either. I code ever…

What major issues you encountered on 18.04?

One of the most significant ones is with constant network dropouts. I'm not talking about Wifi or some weird and wonderful adapter either. Wired ethernet on an Intel i219 - constant dropouts and when you're browsing (e.g. with Firefox) it regularly fails to resolve the host and/or load a page. I've tested this and confirmed it is a problem in Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Neon.

Another issue is with the Gnome version of Ubuntu (doesn't appear in Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Neon etc). When you install BitWarden into Firefox, any time you tab into the password field, it crashes the plugin. Sounds like a problem with the plugin, except it isn't. It's known that Ubuntu packaged an old and/or incompatible library that causes it, and they didn't make any attempt to fix it. Meanwhile, Fedora, Elementary, other flavours of Ubuntu, and Debian all work perfectly with Firefox and Bitwarden.

They may be little things, but they aren't edge cases. They're usability 101 for normal desktop users, and they should just work. I understand though that Ubuntu does "just work" for millions of other users, and I hope that continues to be the case.