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Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by AdrianB1 »

nitinreddy88 wrote: post #96
mbell wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like they went halfway across the Arabian Sea before turning around, strange... https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ix611#1e2da319

What caused them to retun in half way? Report says Trichy airport informed pilot about posssible damage to plane. Pilot ignored it saying everything is green. What happened in 4hrs to divert back to Mumbai is still mystery. Will be interesting to see full report

If they went to burn the fuel, going somewhere and returning is easier than circling for 4 hours.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by AdrianB1 »

ksec wrote: post #107
unionemployee wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately don’t have time for a long post at the moment, but as an airline pilot and instructor/check pilot, I can say that extreme incompetence exists in the airline world, especially in Africa, India, SE Asia. There could be some very good reasons that they chose to continue, and often I learn those reasons when the facts are released, discovering that a good decision was made. I’ll be following the investigati…

--I can say that extreme incompetence exists in the airline world, especially in Africa, India, SE Asia including Hong Kong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAsia_Airways_Flight_235 - is it close enough?

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #152

I hate articles introducing three-letter-mysteries and leaving the readers in confusion. To add insult to injury, none of the comments seem to acknowledge that the topic is impentrable. What is the mysterious ILS that was hit? Even after reading the Wikipedia article, I only have a vague idea - seems to be a radar system, both on ground and in the air. Did the plane hit a radar tower?

As other response mentioned what it is, look at this image for get an idea how it looks: https://www.airteamimages.com/---__-_94189_large.html. It is present on the entry side of most runway.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by AdrianB1 »

murukesh_s wrote: post #103
travisjungroth wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to work as a flight instructor and flew corporate. I’ve flown small airplanes with a bunch of airline pilots, whatever that is worth. This does not seem like normal behavior from an airline pilot at all. I can see about 10% of private pilots doing something like this. It would probably be someone who has been flying a long time and gotten way too comfortable. Things always work out, so why not this time? The d…

Here's the statement from the Airline. Not sure if 3600 hours is good experience in the industry? May be it is.. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpSNZO4V4AAPjKa.jpg:large

3600 hours is a good measure for routine, not for skills. I saw stupid accidents done by pilots with over 20 years and 10,000 hours of flying.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by AdrianB1 »

berti wrote: post #136
yutyut wrote: post #72

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No. Go-around and assess the damage on the deck.

A go-around wouldn't give much chance to assess the damage beyond superficial. Would be much better to fully land and stop.

Not before consuming fuel. If overload was a factor, immediate landing is not a good idea.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by AdrianB1 »

aaronmdjones wrote: post #148
basicplus2 wrote: post #50

Lets hope they scrap that aircraft.. i could not find a reference but i remember an incident where an aircraft only scraped its backend on take off and repairs were made, but years later the aircraft was lost with everyone on board after cracks propagated up and around and the aircraft lost its whole tale section

Those incidents (CAL611, JAL123) only happened because the repair was completed improperly to begin with and subsequently missed by every inspection. There's no reason the aircraft can't be properly repaired, and be as strong as it was when it was delivered. The Boeing Structural Repair Manual is very precise. It was just ignored.

The problem here is that the plane climbed risking catastrophic depressurization - you cannot repair in flight, you need to land first for that.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by close04 »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #152

I hate articles introducing three-letter-mysteries and leaving the readers in confusion. To add insult to injury, none of the comments seem to acknowledge that the topic is impentrable. What is the mysterious ILS that was hit? Even after reading the Wikipedia article, I only have a vague idea - seems to be a radar system, both on ground and in the air. Did the plane hit a radar tower?

I think that the audience most interested in such stories especially from this source is familiar with the terminology so they don't waste time detailing it.

How many articles posted here on HN tell you what a CPU is? Or a pointer? Or a container? And that's just to pick a few common terms. News about a certain topic will build on the assumption that the basic concepts related to it are already known to the reader.

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by chopin »

mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #68
14 wrote: post #25

I have been trying to go over how this could happen. The damage to the wall seems so severe that I would image even over the sound of the engine the pilot would hear and notice that they had hit a wall. Flying the plane at this point would be risking their life. The first thing that came to my mind was the only reason a pilot would risk his life is if his life was already at risk and if he had been drinking when he h…

Over at http://pprune.org the suggestion is that the pilot's seat was not locked into position correctly and slid back during takeoff. This caused the pilot to pull back on the stick too early and his instinct was the push forward to keep the plane on the correct trajectory. He likely over-corrected and ended up flying 6ft off the ground at the end of the runway where the landing gear caught an antenna and the chainl…

I've flown A380 and B747 on a commercial (Lufthansa) simulator. Both had seats which could be only moved with motors (locking in any position). Don't know how it is with B737 but I would assume the same (for this very reason).

Re: Air India Express 737 Hits ILS, Damages Wall on Departure, Flies for 4 Hours

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

jayalpha wrote: post #142
nitinreddy88 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most surprising part is, trichy to mumbai takes hardly 1hr flight time. What caused them to take 4hrs? In 4hrs, they could have landed in Dubai itself easily Being Indian, I agree with statement about AirIndia. I would never fly in AirIndia even if the ticket price is too low, laughably they usually cost way above than any other competitors.

"Being Indian, I agree with statement about AirIndia. I would never fly in AirIndia even if the ticket price is too low, laughably they usually cost way above than any other competitors." Since I have flown with Air India, would you mind being more specific? Are the statistics? My flights were okay. Okay, zero status miles credited at Star Alliance and a bit stingy with alcohol on board. But food and service was good…

I had a flight around 2 AM on night, and man, the crew were so sleepy. The crew who made announcement during landing was close to yawning. I am highly suspicious they were taking nap on the back of the plane.
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