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Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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The UI is horrible and it has already been discussed in many places, but to me the slowness is the no.1 problem. I thought it was just a hiccup when they had it on optional mode, but now it's plain slow. I've tried on different connections and different browsers and they all seem to generate the same result. Super slow loading times of the interface and the emails. I still remember when gmail was the fastest kid on t…

Man, last week a friend asked me to set him up with an email account through Dreamhost shared hosting. My first reaction was "who does this anymore" but after 10 minutes passed (he already had a website there) I was sending him IMAP server information and thinking, "I have got to move on something like this, I'll bet it's 200% faster than current GMail." It's not going to be a GSuite-level toolset for him, of course,…

For your use, may I suggest cheaper and better options from the privacy angle? Here are some email providers that check both these boxes:

Posteo.de

Mailfence

Runbox

Mailbox.org

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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post #156

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I mean... if it takes 23 seconds to load on my machine, and the old version took less than 3, maybe its not worth maintaining the new version to begin with. Just a thought.

If it takes 23 seconds to load you definitely have an issue and not new Gmail.

I disagree, if it took 3 seconds to load and now it takes 23, given mostly the same features, it means the software is broken, not the hardware it runs on.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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post #156

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If it takes 23 seconds to load you definitely have an issue and not new Gmail.

I disagree, if it took 3 seconds to load and now it takes 23, given mostly the same features, it means the software is broken, not the hardware it runs on.

I think the point is moreso that 23 seconds is abnormal, not the experience of most users, and therefore likely either not consistent for you (maybe your WiFi connection dropped) or due to some wierd configuration on your end.

(Technically speaking, I work on Gmail, but unrelated to this)

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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post #51

I don’t consider there to be anything technically interesting here, neither with regard to design. Flag and move on. As others have mentioned: a vocal minority always dislike UI changes, but in six months it will be the new normal. One thing I will say though, it’s starting to look like we’ve run out of good UI changes and what we’re served up now is the refried beans / day old reheated leftovers of UI design. Anyway…

>> Email, for me, is way too important to have no paid support Paid support (and other features) is $1.99/mo. https://one.google.com/about

Not available in my country.

Also, paid support is just one piece of the puzzle. More important is to not be locked in.

So buy your own domain and if you really want Gmail then pay for G Suite.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

#165

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The folks at Google aren't idiots. They now that there is a vocal minority of complainers, most of whom will accept the new UI after a week or two. For a customer base the size of GMail, placating every complaint is just not in the interest of their business. That is one of the downsides of dominant marker players. Microsoft had the same leverage with Windows 10 (this round of complaints feels similar, although the f…

By the way, to use IMAP/SMTP you will need to switch "enable unsecure apps" in Google Account preferences. Google considers all auth methods except OAuth2 to be insecure (and OAuth2 doesn't work in my slightly outdated version of Thunderbird). But I think the opposite: with OAuth2 the token is stored on your device, with password auth the password is not stored anywhere.

That stored token is the same as a long lived session cookie, providing the same level of security.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

#166
post #107

Everyone hates UI changes. Wait 6 months and it will be the new normal.

Indeed. And it's not only websites, either. Consider all the people who still use sysvinit and (a fork of) GNOME 2. (Yes, I think many who oppose systemd do so because of the UI change.) And consider the much larger group that initially opposed that were strong opponents for a while but have now moved on.

At least systemd made things objectively faster!

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

#167

Same thing happened with Google maps a couple of years ago. They changed the UI to one a lot less functional, gave users an option to use the old UI for a while, then took it away. Now we're stuck with gmaps that are much worse than they used to be. Product managers at Google (and everywhere else) don't get promoted for leaving good products alone.

What functionality did the old google maps have that the current one doesn't?

45 degree satellite view.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

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post #96

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It could be a hardware thing though, that your GPU can't make use of hardware acceleration.

When an email client needs hw acceleration, they are doing it wrong.

I challenge you to name a single mail client which doesn't use graphics hardware acceleration in some form.

Even an old fashioned DOS computers console display modes are graphics acceleration - that's why it doesn't have to draw the fonts pixel by pixel - the graphics hardware gets them out of a ROM in real-time.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

#169

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I disagree, if it took 3 seconds to load and now it takes 23, given mostly the same features, it means the software is broken, not the hardware it runs on.

I think the point is moreso that 23 seconds is abnormal, not the experience of most users, and therefore likely either not consistent for you (maybe your WiFi connection dropped) or due to some wierd configuration on your end. (Technically speaking, I work on Gmail, but unrelated to this)

Mine takes 21 seconds to fully load, including the tasks and calendar sidebar from a fresh browser start with no caches and cookies, but only timing from clicking the sign in button.

Re: Please Google, let us revert to the classic Gmail look

#170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is moreso that 23 seconds is abnormal, not the experience of most users, and therefore likely either not consistent for you (maybe your WiFi connection dropped) or due to some wierd configuration on your end. (Technically speaking, I work on Gmail, but unrelated to this)

Mine takes 21 seconds to fully load, including the tasks and calendar sidebar from a fresh browser start with no caches and cookies, but only timing from clicking the sign in button.

I think that's misleading. I tested a few times this morning, and had clean-cache "load" times of 10-35 seconds, but I could use the app within 5 and chrome devtools showed ready in under 10.

So I'm curious what your metric is. Is it until the last resource is fully rendered in devtools, until the ready action fires, or until you can actually do things?

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