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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by pjc50 »

ericdykstra wrote: post #6

UKIP and the Green Party joined forces to prevent Article 13 from getting rammed through without a public discussion. It was a good first step, but here we are, 2 months hence, and it was passed with virtually no amendments to the original text. This is an abhorrent decision by people who have no idea how the internet works. Markus Meechum (aka Count Dankula) was at the hearings, and reported that MEPs voting on the…

> Markus Meechum (aka Count Dankula)

Do we really not have anyone better as a source than the Nazi dog guy? http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meecha...

(Perhaps someone from Open Rights Group or EDRI?)

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by graphenus »

akerro wrote: post #24
mscasts wrote: post #9

This is so sad but kind of expected. EU is run by politicians and the public has very little to no insight. After this goes through I will become a single-issue voter, to leave the EU.

>After this goes through I will become a single-issue voter, to leave the EU. This law will be introduced in Switzerland, Norway and UK. Most probably UK will have to keep it after Brexit.

Why would Switzerland and Norway introduce this law?

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by davemp »

arendtio wrote: post #139

> They say that the campaign against the directive has been funded by US tech giants eager to retain their control over the web’s platforms. While I am not a particular fan of the dominance of Google and Facebook, I like it better how they handle the web than what we have seen from the 'creative' companies. It took years until they found a way to monetize their content properly (e.g. Spotify, Netflix) and even now af…

Many companies are so out of it they don't even let you stream content to browsers running on Linux distros. Even Amazon owned Audible just fixed that issue a few months ago.

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by pjc50 »

zaroth wrote: post #136
pjc50 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is somewhat true, but are national legislatures really any better? There's nothing quite like Brexit to convince me that my local legislature is completely refusing to listen to me (or anyone with any sense) at all on even the most basic issues.

National legislatures are better to the extent that the populace exerts direct electoral control over their representatives. If the election of Trump or Ocasio-Cortez taught us anything, it should be that appealing to voters can get you into office, even with powerful entrenched interests running against you. Elected politicians are 100% beholden to their voters, now more than ever.

But MEPs are elected?

(also I find it odd when people apply this argument to the UK where we have a fully unelected upper house!)

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by dane-pgp »

beaconstudios wrote: post #37
philpem wrote: post #16

Can't say I didn't expect this, or the politicians' "I can't and don't have to tell you why I voted like that" attitude. (see ericdykstra's comment). Maybe this is the one single solitary positive to Brexit...

the EU's capability to be authoritarian (and from what I gather, propensity to use this authority) was one of the reasons I voted to leave. The central dictation of "how it shall be", reality be damned, reminds me of the Soviet Union. Obviously not to the same extent and severity, but the EU is making the same mistakes in thinking that broad-brush central planning of a huge geographic region isn't a fundamentally fla…

If you voted for Britain to leave the EU because of the EU's "capability to be authoritarian", then perhaps you should have already voted (with your feet) to leave Britain because of its much worse capability to be authoritarian.

For example, it was Britain that introduced the Snoopers' Charter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigatory_Powers_Act_2016

without any encouragement from the EU, and indeed that Act has since been found incompatible with European law.

Out of interest, can you name another example where the EU was authoritarian (acting in a way that the British government wouldn't have)?

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by [deleted] »

pjc50 wrote: post #161
ericdykstra wrote: post #6

UKIP and the Green Party joined forces to prevent Article 13 from getting rammed through without a public discussion. It was a good first step, but here we are, 2 months hence, and it was passed with virtually no amendments to the original text. This is an abhorrent decision by people who have no idea how the internet works. Markus Meechum (aka Count Dankula) was at the hearings, and reported that MEPs voting on the…

> Markus Meechum (aka Count Dankula) Do we really not have anyone better as a source than the Nazi dog guy? http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/1962/PF-v-Mark-Meecha... (Perhaps someone from Open Rights Group or EDRI?)

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Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by sebst »

This is a decision that will end up benefitting the big players on both sides, i.e. regulatory capture.

Google, Facebook and the like already employ filtering and copyright techniques and they can afford it. So, this law lifts the barrier to entry for smaller internet companies.

On the other side, it's also beneficial almost exclusively for the larger publications or copyright holders as the collected amount of license payments would end up there.

So, while I accept that the benevolent interpretation of this initiative is correct – big internet companies have an unhealthy market share and it's unfair to make money from other peoples' work – I suspect this might be another step towards more corporatism.

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Post by zaarn »

isthatart wrote: post #140
kgwgk wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of effect do you think that these laws could have on your use of arXiv?

Example: article in arXiv gets later published in a journal. Will the arXiv article version be still available for anybody? Only for non-EU people? Will be removed from arXiv? None of these?

Why would any of that happen? I don't think the internet copyright proposal will affect things in a way you describe...

Re: EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by [deleted] »

buboard wrote: post #53
loa-in-backup wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's going to work like jaywalking - it's illegal, but I've done it, and it's fine as long as it doesn't cause a bigger issue, and as long as enforcer isn't overzealous. It's true though, that it's a weapon waiting to be used for political reasons, and the perspective of that happening is no good for anybody.

No individuals or companies can gain money from suing you for jaywalking. This is different.

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