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John McCain has died

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Re: John McCain has died

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Post by Sharlin »

jquery wrote: post #144
Spooky23 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a few stories out there. The common thread is that the vetting process wasn’t done and nobody realized what a shitshow Palin was. Whomever made the decision, it was a rash move that proved that a low caliber, not so smart, but media savvy national candidate could win the support needed to be president. It led to 2016.

"Not so smart guy" that somehow reached the peak of 3 major fields, including one where he was grossly outgunned and outfunded. "Low calibre" that's somehow supercharging our economy. I remember reading an AskReddit thread about "have you ever met Trump, what was he like?", it was nothing but amazing stories about his incredible gifts of memory, his intelligence, and his generosity. This of course was back when Trump…

> "Low calibre" that's somehow supercharging our economy.

You might want to take a look at what ”cum hoc ergo propter hoc” means.

> An amazing example of the Dunning Kruger effect.

That’s... not how the Dunning Kruger effect works.

Re: John McCain has died

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Post by selectodude »

fastball wrote: post #135
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course he also said if Hillary won that he would refuse to confirm Garland for the entirety of her presidency...

And? That's the entire point of checks and balances.

That isn't checks and balances. That's partisan bullshit.

Re: John McCain has died

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Post by agumonkey »

chx wrote: post #14
BoysenberryPi wrote: post #4

John McCain did somethings that I disagree with but the one thing I will always remember is when during the 2008 election there were multiple times during town halls and rallies that people would verbally attack Obama and McCain always shut them down without fail.

His concession speech: > I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherite…

Obama did a similar thing when Trump started to become a potential winner.

Re: John McCain has died

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Post by emptysea »

danek wrote: post #142
abcdcba wrote: post #139

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This might be a dumb question but how does a prisoner refuse to leave? Can't they just kick him out?

He was given the option to “skip the line” since his dad was an admiral. I think the way it worked is the POW who had been there longest would be first to leave when there was an exchange opportunity. McCain saw it as unfair for him to take someone else’s spot just because of who his dad was.

It is also against the military code of conduct to accept parole or favors from the enemy. [0]

[0]: http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/readings/code_of_conduct...

Re: John McCain has died

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Post by [deleted] »

ericd wrote: post #47
leolll wrote: post #33

"Bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran" -McCain That's what I remember him for. He later said he was just joking. As if joking about killing thousands of people is somehow better.

I mean, that's pretty obviously a joke, even with no context. It's a riff on the lyrics to a Beach Boys song.

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Re: John McCain has died

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Post by Jach »

ericd wrote: post #47
leolll wrote: post #33

"Bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran" -McCain That's what I remember him for. He later said he was just joking. As if joking about killing thousands of people is somehow better.

I mean, that's pretty obviously a joke, even with no context. It's a riff on the lyrics to a Beach Boys song.

McCain himself points that out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

I remember him for that one but also for advocating the permanent military presence, like South Korea, going forward in Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf7HYoh9YMM

I'm somewhat surprised that HN seems to have such a hardon for the man, and every negative comment is being downvoted / flagged. I remember pretty clearly how Obama-obsessed the tech world was in 2008, and even Family Guy did a "we're not saying he's a nazi but nazis support him" routine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRHL5QlwA-g What happened to make the HN crowd change their opinion (did McCain fight back against software patents at some point despite being a self-admitted computer illiterate?), or was it always glowing and the subject just didn't come up?

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Post by 3x »

docker_up wrote: post #159
rpiguy wrote: post #124

John McCain’s first wife was a model who had a car accident that left her crippled and eroded her good looks. John McCain then cheated on her and then left her, eventually remarrying a younger, very attractive, very heiress. By most biographical accounts he was not a nice man in private, very egocentric, and had a very carefully constructed and well-maintained public image. He also was a POW to a brutal, Communist re…

He was very close friends with Joe Biden. Biden himself said on many occasions that if McCain ever called him up for help, Biden would be on the next plane to wherever he was in the world. I don't doubt that he had his enemies that hated him, but I doubt that sentence "he was not a nice man in private, very egocentric, and had a very carefully constructed and well-maintained public image." No one is perfect but there…

Joe Biden is another ignominious, sold-out prick. He will be remembered in history mostly for being complicit in a lot of death and misery, and for his creepy interactions with children that are well documented on video.

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Post by tooltalk »

js2 wrote: post #114
scarface74 wrote: post #110

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I can honestly say as someone who can’t support a Republican President because he would give too much power to southern regressionist Republicans and while I might have disagreed with a lot of their policies, I never saw any of the Republican Presidents or nominees as people who I didn’t think did or would have represented the country well. Until 2016... But they all had to veer to the right a little more than I thou…

McCain was treated terribly by his own party in the 2000 primary.

McCain was in the wrong party.

Re: John McCain has died

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Post by tooltalk »

js2 wrote: post #90

John McCain dedicated his entire adult life to serving America with dignity, courage and honor. We need more McCains in the world, not fewer. RIP.

I don't want to insult the dead. But if we had more McCains, his stubbornness and militarism would lead to greater welfare and warfare states with American soldiers fighting someone else's civil wars all over the world.
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