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How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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Copying someone elses site and tricking their users to use your copy is a copyright violation and fraud. Nothing cool about it.

Copyright violation? You're literally just "archiving" their website. Exactly the same as Google are doing themselves.

No, you're using their content to gain financially, and in this instance, at their expense. And that's putting aside all the other possible counter-arguments, of which there are many.

I'm no fan of long copyrights, etc., but in this case to me it's a clear cut case.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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"duplicate content" is a problem for both, the original site and the copycat. But the copycat doesn't rely on SEO in this example. It just buys traffic in AdWords. So the duplicate content penalty would harm only the original site.

Google must surely be able to tell the difference between the original site and copying site because of timestamps. How would an Adwords campaign change that?

Its the Golden Rule: He who pays the gold makes the rules.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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Copying someone elses site and tricking their users to use your copy is a copyright violation and fraud. Nothing cool about it.

Copyright violation? You're literally just "archiving" their website. Exactly the same as Google are doing themselves.

No, you're not just "archiving". Besides the point that archiving itself is already in a legal grey zone, at the very least it has the defence that it presents the website unmodified, in exactly the same state for no other purpose than showing the web as it used to be. Like file-sharing websites, archive websites rely on the fact that it's an automated process and they can continue to host anything until they get a DMCA takedown. Not to mention organisations like Archive.org are literally run by librarians which gives their argument of preservation a lot more weight.

When you're stealing assets and adding your own tracking code, you're transforming the work, which is a definite no-no for copyright and trademark law. Not to mention that by intercepting traffic which was meant for a competitor you're literally interfering with their business and risk fraud charges.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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Hi everyone! I did this. It was just a random cool idea I wanted to try. It worked a little too well and I quickly moved it to a disposable site to test if the page will get penalised by Google. I got busy with other things and forgot about it. When I bumped into it again I decided to write about it, for two reasons: 1) To me it's hard to believe that Chrome would allow for this to happen in the first place and 2) th…

Thanks for publishing this. I guess that's not said enough with all of the butthurt people here.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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> assumes most of the modern web is worth using But it is, are you really going to ignore reading some huge breakthrough in physics because the site uses react? Also in many situations there's absolutely no other choice. Government sites, e-stores, banking. And then there's the buildup of recorded urls. Private browsing is somewhat less useful when your scipt blocker whitelist is full of porn sites. I use it for secu…

>dding another 3 clicks, then another 2 for the inline JavaScript contained within after reload makes the internet incredibly annoying to use. Yes, it is annoying. It reminds me each time how annoying websites are which use Javascript for things which could be done without. And it lets me search for alternatives or just abandon such websites.

> how annoying websites are which use Javascript for things which could be done without

A good example of sites which use JavaScript for things they don’t really need are those GP mentions: ‘government sites, e-stores, banking.’

Government sites: the vast majority of government sites are simply informative text. There’s absolutely no need for me to grant the government permission execute code on my computer (which is what JavaScript does) in order to read the minutes of the latest council meeting. Even when interactivity is needed (e.g. an online tax-payment system), HTML forms (the sort we’ve had for over two decades) are a perfectly good solution for ‘enter information in a box and submit it.’ JavaScript can definitely lead to more attractive, more usable solutions — but it’s completely optional. Government sites are a great example of something which should work for anyone, even someone using an old BeOS box on the other end of a modem connexion running over a bit of wet string.

E-stores: there’s simply no need for JavaScript to display pictures & descriptive text of goods in an attractive fashion. There’s simply no need for JavaScript to give me a form to enter my credit card information & mailing address. Again, JavaScript can make the experience better, but it is also a privacy and security risk. I seem to recall that Amazon made quite a lot of money before JavaScript was a thing; I imagine it could continue to do so.

Banking: there’s no need for my bank to execute code on my computer to send me a statement of my accounts, nor to give me a form to pay bills or send money. Indeed, in my experience JavaScript just makes things worse, because instead of downloading a single HTML document from my bank’s servers I get to download dozens of trackers and bugs, as well as the code necessary to hit multiple APIs and stitch the page together out of its parts on my own desktop.

I think I read something yesterday, here or elsewhere, about how client-side JavaScript really took off at the same time as server-side Ruby was a big thing, with the implication that the reason was that Ruby was so slow that websites had to offload as much computation as possible. I don’t know, now, if that was actually the case, but I do know that it’s 2018 and my desktop experience is slower than it was in 1998, thanks to JavaScript.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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really? That seems extreme. Might as well say: "Yet another reason to not browse anything on the web"

It's a shame you're being downvoted, you're entirely correct. Most of the modern web is unusable with javascript disabled.

Many modern web pages work better with Javascript disabled now, because it avoids the GDPR/cookie popup spam.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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I’d like to defend this guy. What he is doing is testing the trust mechanism. If he went to Google and said ‘I think the trust mechanism is broken’ Google would say: ‘We know, that’s why we are pushing to move everyone to https.’ ‘That isn’t enough. The padlock on the https page gives users a false sense of security.’ ‘We don’t agree with that. Where’s your data?’ Google wouldn’t have accepted this. They have pushed…

It looks indeed like "The Emperor's New Clothes" story of Anderson [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes].

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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Why do browsers allow changing the back button history before the visitor arrived at the domain? Seems like a subtle cross origin attack if that is truly what's happening.

Most people are just going to hit back until it looks like they're at the right site, so I don't think you'd have to change the previous history, just add your own entry after the one for the site they came from.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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Honestly, it doesn't shock me in the slightest that someone who markets themselves as an SEO expert would not only do something as unethical as this, but also brag about it, as though they think they've done something they should be proud of.

Likewise it doesn't surprise me that HN would downvote this comment to the bottom like the bunch of wannabe black hat SEO scammers they are.

Re: How I recorded user behaviour on my competitor’s websites

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Hi everyone! I did this. It was just a random cool idea I wanted to try. It worked a little too well and I quickly moved it to a disposable site to test if the page will get penalised by Google. I got busy with other things and forgot about it. When I bumped into it again I decided to write about it, for two reasons: 1) To me it's hard to believe that Chrome would allow for this to happen in the first place and 2) th…

You did good by publishing this. I've seen that you're updating your blog post based on what people are saying here, you don't have to do that, you don't have to answer to people attacking you on a forum.

What you have exposed has the potential to affect a large number of Google users and unfortunately the community has chosen to attack you over attacking Google.

Which could say a lot about the state of the community. So thanks again for bringing this vulnerability to our attention.

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