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Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by earenndil »

r00fus wrote: post #60
owenversteeg wrote: post #17

I keep seeing thermal issues come back to bite some of the smartest companies with products designed by the world's best engineers. Everything from batteries to laptops to phones is severely affected by heat, and improper thermal design can lead to some huge issues. For example, the biggest thing affecting battery life is thermal load. The biggest thing affecting the maximum sustained power of a laptop or phone is th…

Is the Intel upgrade treadmill is starting to show its age? How much longer can we keep making the chips "faster" when the tradeoff is increasingly just more thermal issues? Can't wait for a decent A-series chip MacBook.

The 'intel upgrade treadmill' consists of reducing transistor size and upping clock; the former of which reduces thermal issues, and the latter of which increases them.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by nickthemagicman »

cozzyd wrote: post #91
nickthemagicman wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep Its just a million little details that make it such quality. The awesome UI of the OS. The trackpad is the best trackpad I've ever used. Every other trackpad feels clumsy after using one. The fact that it's a TRUE linux machine not just retrofitted Windows linux. The fact that everything just works. The chance of getting a virus is incredibly small. The time saved in troubleshooting is worth the price. Operating…

The "retrofitted Windows linux" is more Linuxy than the Mac (and both suck compared to an actual Linux OS).

Try interfacing in depth with your Hardware with the windows Linux.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by earenndil »

zzleeper wrote: post #70
tedmiston wrote: post #63

All three 15-inch Mid 2018 MBP configurations benchmarked are at the top of Geekbench for multi-core, only behind iMac Pro and Mac Pro models [1]. Here they are in isolation compared to the 2017 and 2016 15-inch models sorted by score descending overall: | Model | Configuration | Score | |---------------------------------|------------------------------------------|-------| | MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2018) | Intel Cor…

Were the benchmarks run on a cooled room? Some years ago, as a student, I paid $$$ for a Toshiba with 4 cores and hyperthreading, and I could only run them well on the winter or in a very cool room. In the summer it would reach 100C and constantly throttle, so I do think that temperature is a key issue, sp. now with slimmmer laptops

> 100C

Are you sure?? That sounds a bit...hot. Do you mean 100F?

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by nickthemagicman »

kibibu wrote: post #111
nickthemagicman wrote: post #59

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Yep Its just a million little details that make it such quality. The awesome UI of the OS. The trackpad is the best trackpad I've ever used. Every other trackpad feels clumsy after using one. The fact that it's a TRUE linux machine not just retrofitted Windows linux. The fact that everything just works. The chance of getting a virus is incredibly small. The time saved in troubleshooting is worth the price. Operating…

> Also, the build quality is the best. I have a macbook that has lasted 10 years and still works great I have a Mid-2010 MBP that is a large and ugly paperweight. Due to shonky quality control, it hard-locks every 5 minutes when using the GPU. This only started when Mountain Lion was released, but good luck rolling back if you want to actually use XCode. Given that it was such a piece of garbage, and that (at the tim…

I was a systems engineer at an Enterprise environment with over a thousand users and about 50/50 Mac/PC split. You can guess which were less headaches from a hardware perspective. And by less headaches I mean virtually non-existent Hardware failures.

Turning them into Enterprise friendly machines from a software perspective was a different story.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by ToFab123 »

agentdrtran wrote: post #136
reitzensteinm wrote: post #125

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A 15" laptop's body could easily be absorbing 75 watts of heat from the sun, equivalent to running both the CPU and GPU of a MacBook Pro pegged at 100%. I think throttling in this scenario is a reasonable tradeoff, much more so than overengineering the cooling solution to handle it and thereby increasing cost, weight and bulk. Sit in the shade.

"You're holding it wrong!" Other laptops work in the sun.

I live on a beach in Thailand and it can get pretty hot at times. It is a beach in Thailand after all. I have no thermal issues with my Lenovo Yoga when sitting directly in the sun. Lots of MacBook Pro users around here and they do run in to thermal issues (random shutdowns mostly) if they sit in the sun doing something CPU intensive. Around here that would be using Ableton (music program), with up to 4 tracks loaded at the same time. We are blessed with amazing DJs around here and they all use a mac

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

djsumdog wrote: post #140
slantyyz wrote: post #20

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In fairness, Lee criticized the Dell XPS 15's thermals in a video a couple of days ago. Of course, he also posted a video last week about how he was starting to hate Apple products. If you watch a lot of his videos, you'll notice that he almost always talks about thermals, so it's not surprising to see him focus on that aspect of the MBP.

I have a Dell XPS 15 (2017) and the thermals are really bad. I saw constant throttling in my kernel logs and the laptop sometimes slowed to a crawl when compiling, running a ton of docker containers, using Light Table or even just having a ton of browser tabs open. I finally ditched it a few weeks ago, finally replacing it with a Ryzen 7 desktop. I'll admit my XPS 15 was a factory refurbished model, so maybe I just g…

Thermal on my i7 xps13 is abysmal. Never again.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by saagarjha »

earenndil wrote: post #163
zzleeper wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were the benchmarks run on a cooled room? Some years ago, as a student, I paid $$$ for a Toshiba with 4 cores and hyperthreading, and I could only run them well on the winter or in a very cool room. In the summer it would reach 100C and constantly throttle, so I do think that temperature is a key issue, sp. now with slimmmer laptops

> 100C Are you sure?? That sounds a bit...hot. Do you mean 100F?

The insides of computers can frequently reach that range.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by m_fayer »

_Codemonkeyism wrote: post #166
djsumdog wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a Dell XPS 15 (2017) and the thermals are really bad. I saw constant throttling in my kernel logs and the laptop sometimes slowed to a crawl when compiling, running a ton of docker containers, using Light Table or even just having a ton of browser tabs open. I finally ditched it a few weeks ago, finally replacing it with a Ryzen 7 desktop. I'll admit my XPS 15 was a factory refurbished model, so maybe I just g…

Thermal on my i7 xps13 is abysmal. Never again.

Same. It's hot, loud, and still never feels as fast as it should.

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by arthurfm »

lebrad wrote: post #19

Dave Lee's youtube video is a withering takedown, presented dispassionately. His argument is such a slam dunk that the article concludes with stunned disbelief, speculating that maybe there's "something wrong with the MacBook Pro with Core i9 chip that Lee received". Yes there's something wrong with it, that was the exact point of his video. Do people really think he just got a lemon?

Quinn Nelson (a.k.a. Snazzy Labs) recently did a couple of videos where he replaced the stock thermal paste on a 2017 MacBook Pro with a liquid metal thermal paste [1] and then 3 months later with a standard thermal paste [2].

With the liquid metal paste the CPU temps dropped 10°C, ran 200MHz faster and the MacBook Pro didn't thermal throttle. The standard thermal paste also saw a 7-10% improvement in thermals compared to Apple's paste.

I wonder if replacing the paste with a better one would help with the latest i9 MacBook Pro?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw4gqfrBN4c

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNoZNzOQpVw

Re: MacBook Pro with i9 chip is throttled due to thermal issues, claims YouTuber

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Post by gambiting »

kart23 wrote: post #157
djsumdog wrote: post #140

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I have a Dell XPS 15 (2017) and the thermals are really bad. I saw constant throttling in my kernel logs and the laptop sometimes slowed to a crawl when compiling, running a ton of docker containers, using Light Table or even just having a ton of browser tabs open. I finally ditched it a few weeks ago, finally replacing it with a Ryzen 7 desktop. I'll admit my XPS 15 was a factory refurbished model, so maybe I just g…

My old xps 13 with the i5 had great thermals on the other hand, but was still snappy enough for almost everything I threw at it. Didn't like it b/c the screen was just a tad too small for me and I had some problems getting good audio on the machine. Also, coil whine. It was awful.

Same here. 13 inch XPS, coil whine is insane. Had the motherboard replaced 3 times, no improvement. It was a replacement for my ageing Air 13", and I honestly wish I didn't swap. At first glance it's just as nice, the build quality and form factor are identical - and then you start using it, and see that Dell charges just as much if not more than Apple, but quality of several different elements is ages behind apple.
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