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Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Post by dragonwriter »

dragonwriter wrote: post #158
cmurf wrote: post #157

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The president is a subject of the probe, which is the ambiguous position of possibly being a witness or eventually becoming a target. As for active collaboration? The DAG Rod Rosenstein told Trump these indictments were coming and their nature. And today Trump decides not to push back on Putin/Russia for these actions, but he impugned Robert Mueller with "rigged witch hunt" claims. Again. That is giving aid and comfo…

> On what moral grounds does Socialism justify confiscating property and sacrificing lives? We can certainly disagree about what is or is not Capitalism but this is what Socialism does and you know it. In a federal grand jury investigation, a “subject” is very close to what is understood in the common vernacular as a “suspect” (but not a “prime suspect”) in a criminal investigation; someone whose conduct is being exa…

Too late to edit, but “socially” -> “specifically” and the leading quote was supposed to be:

> The president is a subject of the probe, which is the ambiguous position of possibly being a witness or eventually becoming a target.

Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Post by mkempe »

dragonwriter wrote: post #160
mkempe wrote: post #159

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Come on. I'll ignore, for now, your attempt at insults. These Russian spies in the US were not US IC agents.

They were in fact charged as US IC agents; they weren't US IC officers , though.

Now you're pretending that Obama delivered 10 "American" agents to Russia...

Farce, idiocy, or trolling, I can't tell.

Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Post by crb002 »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #133
neeksHN wrote: post #54

> At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to the unanimous satisfaction of a jury of twelve citizens. > This case was investigated with the help of the FBI’s cyber teams in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and San Francisco and the National Security Division. Assuming this never goes to trial, could the DOJ ever be compelled to releas…

My guess is that Russia will fund one charged guy to hire a a top US lawyer and fight the charges. A Russian company--allegedly doing Russia's dirty work--hired top US lawyers and they are giving DOJ a heartburn...they must share evidence (can tell how it was obtained) and get ready to go to trial. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/05/09/concord-manag...

My thoughts exactly. GRU is going to use discovery to get at how the US spied on GRU.

Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Post by polotics »

merpnderp wrote: post #106
krapp wrote: post #12

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>Isn't the larger issue that the DNC, Podesta, and Clinton did and said things that weren't aligned with their public statements? No, the larger issue would still be a foreign power attempting to influence an American election by illegal means. That doesn't actually stop becoming illegal or an issue of national security because one doesn't like the party being targeted.

It is mind boggling to me that people are shocked at this. It has been going on for decades, going back to at least the time the USSR tried to help Kennedy win the election. What happened was expected at every election, it's on the DNC and FBI for not protecting their servers. Never mind the joke being on the Russians as Trump is turning out to be several times tougher on them than Hillary would likely have been, eve…

Trump is destroying the alliance, starting trade wars, and squandering any moral advantage western democracies may have in eastern discourse with his many behavior failings. If that's tough on Russia you have to explain how.

Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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pluto9 wrote: post #115
abowlofpetunias wrote: post #36

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Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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abowlofpetunias wrote: post #165
pluto9 wrote: post #115

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Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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dang wrote: post #166
abowlofpetunias wrote: post #165

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Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Post by goshdang »

dang wrote: post #166
abowlofpetunias wrote: post #165

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Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Post by banevader »

dang wrote: post #166
abowlofpetunias wrote: post #165

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Re: Grand Jury Indicts Russian Officers for Hacking Related to the 2016 Election

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Post by dang »

freehunter wrote: post #97
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #77

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I asked the question, was the information released wrong or fake. Was it? Because if it's not wrong or fake, and it's damaging - none of that blame lies with the creators and only with the publisher? That seems odd.

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