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Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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Working for FB itself during this controversy won't tarnish your resume anyway.

But it will tarnish your ability to do virtue signaling, which is the basis of many peoples identity today.

What are you talking about?

They are equal opportunity data vacuums!

Of course, they accept the data of all kinds of people.

They are very diverse in they data collection efforts.

They can still, and certainly will, virtue signal!

Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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> FB controversy doesn't erase technological accomplishments of individuals It doesn't, but it doesn't look great if those accomplishments end up having a negative impact on society. Do you really want to have "I wrote an novel algorithm to track people" on your resume? > Software engineering doesn't have the same ethical consequences and motivations as other fields (medicine, law, etc.). It doesn't make much sense t…

it doesn't look great if those accomplishments end up having a negative impact on society You're assuming all employers (a) believe in and (b) care about Cambridge Analytica. That likely isn't the case. It requires quite a leap to begin with, to believe that CA could actually "influence elections". But this is just the latest iteration of a very, very biased political viewpoint emanating from Dems-in-Denial. Back in…

You're assuming that I'm even referring to Cambridge Analytica. I'm talking about the general sentiment towards Facebook in general as being an unethical company, of which the "leak" of data to Cambridge Analytica is a small part. There are other bad-faith things that Facebook has done, especially with regards to their users' privacy, that certainly have a negative impact on society.

Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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WhatsApp and Instagram seem to be much more respected than Facebook proper right now, so it kind of makes sense. I also haven't noticed a decline in usage of these apps among my friends, but posts on Facebook itself have really dried up.

> WhatsApp and Instagram seem to be much more respected than Facebook proper right now Yes, that's my point. These people, in my head, are trying to minimize the damage done to their reputation, but without actually realizing that moving around inside Facebook doesn't really help. I seriously doubt that how Facebook, the product, is run is significantly different than how Instagram or WhatsApp is run. Anyone who just…

Agreed - they reason they "jumped-ship" was not to address the root issues. It was to address to hit on their vanity for working for a company that is currently in a bad light.

It says more about the individuals than it does about the company.

Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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What an incredibly first-world problem to have... Actually, it's worse than that. It's a top 1% of the first world problem. Most companies, in the broader world, are unethical, and do shady shit on a regular basis, but most rank-and-file people aren't lucky enough to have been making the kind of salary Facebookers can, nor do they have in-demand skills that let them hit the ground running if they decide they don't li…

I am not sure what you mean by that, because other jobs suck you shouldn't have any entegrity?

Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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WhatsApp and Instagram seem to be much more respected than Facebook proper right now, so it kind of makes sense. I also haven't noticed a decline in usage of these apps among my friends, but posts on Facebook itself have really dried up.

> WhatsApp and Instagram seem to be much more respected than Facebook proper right now Yes, that's my point. These people, in my head, are trying to minimize the damage done to their reputation, but without actually realizing that moving around inside Facebook doesn't really help. I seriously doubt that how Facebook, the product, is run is significantly different than how Instagram or WhatsApp is run. Anyone who just…

From what I've heard, they're fairly independent of the mothership and have their own distinct identities, similar to how people at YouTube don't consider themselves to be Googlers as much as YouTubers.

Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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>Do you really want to have "I wrote an novel algorithm to track people" on your resume? The great thing about writing resumes is that you can leave things off. >Software engineers should have to deal with the ethical consequences of the work they've done. Give us legal protections and resources to stand up and to and report unethical behavior by companies then. You're arguing correctly on a moral ground, but you don…

> The great thing about writing resumes is that you can leave things off. Sure, but then you're diminishing the value of what you did. If someone asks you want you did at Facebook, it would be odd if you said "I'd rather not say", as would it if you had five years of blank in your resume. > Give us legal protections and resources to stand up and to and report unethical behavior by companies then. I do agree that this…

>Sure, but then you're diminishing the value of what you did. If someone asks you want you did at Facebook, it would be odd if you said "I'd rather not say", as would it if you had five years of blank in your resume.

I guess if you only worked on creepy and unsavory things, you'd be in a tough spot. Assuming you can't weasel-word your way out of the creepiness and make it more palatable.

If someone ultimately thinks that, you're back to "move on to the next company". And the consequences are paid then and there. But again, you can lean on the market's health to make those consequences really small.

Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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Working for FB itself during this controversy won't tarnish your resume anyway.

I suppose there will always be work for sociopaths

Really? Are we at the point now where we're openly calling Facebook employees sociopaths?

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The bomb was initially built against the Nazis, and with the understanding that they would be building something similar. Japan came later. Also the group was sequestered to a remote lab (Los Alamos?) and working under strong secrecy. You either try to keep a good atmosphere or you go crazy.

If you are capable of building the most powerful weapon on earth, you are capable of guessing it will be used on something else than your current designated target, later. But they didn't think about that. They don't mention that they thought that they were working on something that could literally end humanity. And the thing is, we didn't even use the bomb to win against the Nazi. That the bomb was a good decision o…

Smart people can be really dumb.

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Doesn't it depend a lot on what age you take the test though? Like I was very smart for my age as a child and I tested very high. Later in life I'm probably not much higher than my peers.

I think the whole point of IQ test is being stable independent of age.

Originally though IQ was calculated by dividing by age, now it's calculated by comparing with those in the same age group. So any random child outscoring a famous scientist doesn't seem to be that significant.

Re: Facebook Employees Are Quitting or Switching Departments Over Ethical Concerns

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> WhatsApp and Instagram seem to be much more respected than Facebook proper right now Yes, that's my point. These people, in my head, are trying to minimize the damage done to their reputation, but without actually realizing that moving around inside Facebook doesn't really help. I seriously doubt that how Facebook, the product, is run is significantly different than how Instagram or WhatsApp is run. Anyone who just…

From what I've heard, they're fairly independent of the mothership and have their own distinct identities, similar to how people at YouTube don't consider themselves to be Googlers as much as YouTubers.

Sure, but corporate culture generally always seeps into projects like these. Especially when looking for ways to monetize, since those decisions generally come from upper management at the "parent" company.
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