Crash victim? More like crash dummy, auto-pilot is raw.
Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location
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Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
That person is likely Elon Musk who is well-known for his obstinate and even idiotic defense of Tesla against legitimate and thoughtful criticism. He has the defensiveness of Donald Trump, while even Zuckerberg admitted fault.
Didn't he sue Top Gear and lost over a bit Jeremy Clarkson did? EDIT: Yes he did and lost[0]. Jeremy Clarkson did another bit in The Grand Tour about the new Tesla and it was quite British[1]. [0] http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/12536/remember-when-top-g... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DiGQRaaHvg
This is great. Thanks for posting.
Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the one that matters for the rest of us who aren't dead!
It's precisely because you're not dead yet that you should act rightly according to the correctly chosen system. I'm a biker. I can drive, but only ever drive rentals; motorcycles are my primary mode. A sense of righteousness for being in the right on a bike will get you killed. You ride within the margin of not just your own error, but also those of other road users, and your own machine, with your best judgement an…
"A sense of righteousness for being in the right on a bike will get you killed." Well put. When I was a boy growing up in Milwaukee in the 50s/60s, there was a public service announcement on TV for the Wisconsin Dept. of Motor Vehicles that ended "Don't be dead right." I liked it then and find its lesson has stayed with me and helped me avoid trouble many times outside the driving space.
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#164I am pretty mystified why tesla is even running autopilot on their cars. They already have more demand than they can handle, and I don't think anyone buys a tesla because of the autopilot. They are opening themselves up to huge court claims at the same time they are low on money. Just keep running tests and maybe do a pilot for a few years. Isn't Waymo sort of in the lead right now? They aren't running their software on millions of vehicles but seem to be progressing okay.
It seems all these companies are in a big rush and being slapdash. Maybe it's a disconnect between the engineers and the execs/shareholders. It doesn't even seem profit-driven...almost fear driven. ("we don't wanna be left behind.")
Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whoa whoa whoa, "auto-pilot" is NOT self-driving. Tesla goes to great pains to make auto-pilot sound like self-driving while still stringently claiming that it requires constant supervision, like an airplane auto-pilot.
They scam people into buying Tesla thinking their version is close to self-driving right here https://www.tesla.com/autopilot . Reality is that since Oct'16 is that it's nothing more than a glorified adaptive cruise control found on many common cars. Update: Since Oct'16 self-driving software is an add-on option and Musk has been tweeting[1] since Jan'17 that it's just months away and that its autopilot is somehow sa…
I don't know why you are getting downvoted. All you have said is true. Maybe, people don't like the word 'scam', but essentially they are trying to sell more cars by bamboozling people with technology that is years off.
Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location
#166The fact that it happened to him "several times" and not to others to me might indicate a specific hardware/sensor issue related to his vehicle. A sensor, slightly misaligned or not working to the same tolerance? Pure speculation, I know. Also the 200 trips/day refers to what? All Tesla vehicles? How about for his specific year & model and software version and configuration (both equipped and driver-defined)?
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#167One of the things you learn in flying is not to force it. If conditions are not safe. Just forget about it. It almost seems the same type of judgement needs to be made for auto-pilot. If your auto-pilot acts up at all. Just turn it off and don't use it till it's resolved. All you need is one incident to be dead, so if you get a chance to observe any abnormalities, consider it a blessing. Something that will also be g…
'I was so excited about auto-pilot and dreamed of getting in my car and sleeping while it made cross-country trips. So much for that, that seems way far out.' My only experience of automated driving is the feature where you can set a maximum speed. This is useful in the UK since average speed cameras are commonplace on the motorway network nowadays and it is easy for your concentration to lapse and drift over the cur…
If you just need to follow speed limits, Tesla can do it perfectly fine. It knows speed limits for most roads. It would fail if the speed limit is due to construction or speed trap :-)
Re: Tesla crash victim had complained about auto-pilot in same location
#168They should rename autopilot to auto-scapegoat.
There is zero information yet and its all everyone is jumping onto. Last week the same thing happened to a Tesla that wasn't even equipped with autopilot.
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#169I can't believe this person kept using it. If I had noticed a bug in auto-pilot and complained about it, I would be way too scared to ever use auto-pilot again. Personally, I never use auto-pilot because driving is piss easy, as it's designed to be. Perfect self-driving cars is a nearly impossible feat to accomplish in an unbounded track. I can only imagine automated driving in a system which has no room for error. E…
Your numbers about error percentiles don't make sense. Ideally, you'd want an outcome measure like fatalities per million miles, accidents per 100k miles, not "% error" which is vague.
Furthermore, look at the actual data we have right now. SDC makers actually put out data in California about their "disengagement rate" which is how many time the human drivers took over from the software. Waymo have steadily increased that rate over the past few years, now they are driving many hours without disengagements. Look at the link below, page 4, you'll see they have 63 disengagements over 350k miles. That's 1 per 5.5k miles, so these cars are driving for days without a human takeover.
They will not need their own infrastructure, that would be not be economically viable. They will go on the roads we have or they won't go at all. Tunnels are going to be reserved for high-density point-to-point travel, if the boring company or others ever get scale...
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#170It'll be interesting to see if anything comes of the issue with the already-collapsed crash barrier and what CalTrans says about it. That sort of thing is there for a reason, and to be left in a crushed state for any period of time is bad.
In Texas, I've seen crushed barriers remain collapsed for weeks on end. Either that or they are just hit again right after being replaced. Which tells me, it's a poorly designed road and causes confusion for drivers. Which in fact may be what this Tesla crash turns out to be.
Exactly, I drive past this barrier every day...the problem is the left two lanes on 101 are carpool/EV lane so Tesla drivers just zoom down it...at this particular exit, the left carpool lane leads to an HOV flyover exit which puts you on 85. If you are not paying attention (ie on autopilot flying past traffic), you will end up on a completely different highway! I see people very frequently swerve out of the flyover lane back on to 101 very often, so my initial thought was that he tried to disengage too late to either get back on 101 or the catch the flyover (not clear which one).