Au Revoir • Hacker News Board

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by smallbigfish » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:40 PM UTC

jaggederest wrote: post #142

smallbigfish wrote: post #105

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> being hugged to death Whenever I read about this I can't help to think that people don't make a good use of a load balancer like HAProxy in front of their web-servers. Even if it's a single server behind the load balancer. There's this sweet spot where your server is handling requests as fast as it can but if you cross above it everything halts. To make it simple, this usually happens when one or more hardware reso…

I've actually dealt with this precise problem, HAProxy doesn't really solve the problem of an excess of traffic. At some point you'll start dropping connections or people will give up waiting. What you really want is something more like Varnish, a pass through caching proxy that handles known requests from memory, and any novel requests go through.

I agree that Varnish might be a good addition but in the end it depends on the exact setup you're running and which hardware resource is used the most.

My opinion is that the CPU is usually the first to fall and you will not help it quite that much with an in-memory cache when the actual problem is the https overhead or the PHP/DB processing.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by dkural » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:41 PM UTC

mistersquid wrote: post #158

matte_black wrote: post #124

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No way is it a lie. The kind of people who enjoy running a company with a ragtag group of 10 employees in the early days are rarely the kind of people who will be able to effectively run a 10000 employee operation. If you’re growing fast there is no time for on-the-job training as CEO. You need to be effective immediately or else you are only hurting your company’s growth.

It's funny, because I absolutely agree with your assessment. But then I started a couple of thought experiments. How about the reverse case? Would, say, Meg Whitman or Satya Nadella, for example, be able to act as a CEO or co-founder of a small company, say But then I thought about Bill Joy, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and, well, you hopefully get my point. Which is, even thoug…

Meg Whitman ran eBay when it was 30 people.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by skylark » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:42 PM UTC

mistersquid wrote: post #158

matte_black wrote: post #124

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No way is it a lie. The kind of people who enjoy running a company with a ragtag group of 10 employees in the early days are rarely the kind of people who will be able to effectively run a 10000 employee operation. If you’re growing fast there is no time for on-the-job training as CEO. You need to be effective immediately or else you are only hurting your company’s growth.

It's funny, because I absolutely agree with your assessment. But then I started a couple of thought experiments. How about the reverse case? Would, say, Meg Whitman or Satya Nadella, for example, be able to act as a CEO or co-founder of a small company, say But then I thought about Bill Joy, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and, well, you hopefully get my point. Which is, even thoug…

You're thinking of survivorship bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by smallbigfish » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:44 PM UTC

peterwwillis wrote: post #147

smallbigfish wrote: post #105

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> being hugged to death Whenever I read about this I can't help to think that people don't make a good use of a load balancer like HAProxy in front of their web-servers. Even if it's a single server behind the load balancer. There's this sweet spot where your server is handling requests as fast as it can but if you cross above it everything halts. To make it simple, this usually happens when one or more hardware reso…

What you're describing is queueing, but the solution you're really looking for is back pressure. Any queue will eventually fill and when you fill it, things fall out. So rather than just dropping requests or letting the requests swamp your box, what you want to do is intelligently reject requests. On the web, this means sending 503 responses. In a more intelligent client-server model, this might be the client doing a…

The setup I described will not get you from 10 requests/second to 1000. It will let you to make the most of your hardware though.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by matte_black » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:50 PM UTC

mistersquid wrote: post #158

matte_black wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No way is it a lie. The kind of people who enjoy running a company with a ragtag group of 10 employees in the early days are rarely the kind of people who will be able to effectively run a 10000 employee operation. If you’re growing fast there is no time for on-the-job training as CEO. You need to be effective immediately or else you are only hurting your company’s growth.

It's funny, because I absolutely agree with your assessment. But then I started a couple of thought experiments. How about the reverse case? Would, say, Meg Whitman or Satya Nadella, for example, be able to act as a CEO or co-founder of a small company, say But then I thought about Bill Joy, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, and, well, you hopefully get my point. Which is, even thoug…

It's entirely possible that some big CEOs can't do well with a small company of 10 employees or so. A lot of the skills they have are mostly focused on managing larger organized teams, which is not the same skillset for small teams. It's strategy vs tactics.

Maybe at one point they could, early in their career, but by now those skills may have atrophied.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by 0xmohit » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:52 PM UTC

chatmasta wrote: post #49

Four months ago on HN, an anonymous account posted "SHykes has left Docker" [0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15650335

Another au revoir post [0] by Jérôme Petazzoni (also mentioned in shykes's post) a little over a month back.

[0] https://jpetazzo.github.io/2018/02/17/seven-years-at-docker/

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by ghaff » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:52 PM UTC

vram22 wrote: post #156

jwildeboer wrote: post #82

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Disagree. Counter example: Red Hat (disclaimer: I’m at Red Hat since almost 13 years). Founded by realistic visionaries (Bob Young and Mark Ewing). Bob was smart enough to bring in Matthew Szulik, who gave Red Hat structure and growth. And Matthew was smart enough to hand over to Jim Whitehurst. Red Hat is nowadays a smooth running company with 64 quarters of growth, with a portfolio that goes far beyond Linux. Execu…

Bob Young founded Lulu.com, the ebooks and print books company, before Red Hat, IIRC. That was an early pioneering ebook and self-publishing company startup, I think.

Lulu.com was founded in 2002 after Bob Young left Red Hat.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by geofft » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:54 PM UTC

kornish wrote: post #134

geofft wrote: post #53

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> Companies that succeed are driven by burning vision, not by day-to-day operation people. What is the evidence for this? We can throw anecdotes like Apple on one side and Unilever on the other, sure, but is there any study saying e.g. "Of these 100 promising companies founded in 1990, x% of the founder-led ones were successful by 2010 whereas y% of the outside-CEO-led ones were?" Making a bold claim like "Companies…

Noam Wasserman (Harvard, USC) studies exactly this in a paper called "Rich vs King". As you can guess from the name, the conclusion is that bringing in outside generally management maximizes the expected value of equity. https://hbr.org/2008/02/the-founders-dilemma

Thanks!

One thing the article brings up is that "success" may not be synonymous with "financial success". If you have a specific burning vision for a thing that should exist in the world, it might not be the most profitable thing, and the founder staying on is probably a good way for exactly that product to exist - but an outside CEO might choose to compromise the product vision and significantly expand the potential market in doing so.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by matchagaucho » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 6:54 PM UTC

Am I the only one reading a K8S concession into every Docker headline lately?

I made a big bet on Docker a few years ago, so I know personally that's been the case.

Re: Au Revoir

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Post by csmiller » Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 7:00 PM UTC

skellera wrote: post #98

zenlikethat wrote: post #90

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Try getting 5+ marketing people to learn git and GitHub sometime and let me know how it goes.

For just the blogging portion, you can just add the blog posts directly through github (the markdown files for posts). https://help.github.com/articles/creating-new-files/ But yeah, it’s less user friendly. I’m sure someone will make a good solution for this soon.

Gatsby + Netlify + Netlify CMS is super.