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Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by jdmichal » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 12:45 PM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #156

jdmichal wrote: post #133

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That's the entire point. Anything other than random chance means that someone has "priority". Priority which is typically decided by spending resources. Either time by waiting in queue. Or money by buying at higher than face value from a scalper -- who probably waited in queue, thereby exchanging their time for money. If the principle being striven for is fair , then most fair to me would be to allow all potential at…

Fans don't want a lottery, though. They want to be 100% sure they have a ticket to the show. It's a gratification thing. Not everything can be 100% optimal and profit maximized. The current ticket sales method works great, if you eliminate the rent-seeking scalpers, through simple regulation. However, ideally we should also consider it shameful to buy from scalpers. You run a high risk being scammed, they can resell…

Your original response was that there wasn't a similarity between unpaid internships and concert ticket sales. And now your response is that more optimal systems are less desirable, which is a fine answer. But it's certainly a choice to choose the less-optimal system, with the understanding that that choice is going to lock out some people due to resource constraints. And the current method rewards time-rich people in a very similar way as unpaid internships. They receive access to experiences that others can't "afford".

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by KozmoNau7 » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 1:06 PM UTC

jdmichal wrote: post #161

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fans don't want a lottery, though. They want to be 100% sure they have a ticket to the show. It's a gratification thing. Not everything can be 100% optimal and profit maximized. The current ticket sales method works great, if you eliminate the rent-seeking scalpers, through simple regulation. However, ideally we should also consider it shameful to buy from scalpers. You run a high risk being scammed, they can resell…

Your original response was that there wasn't a similarity between unpaid internships and concert ticket sales. And now your response is that more optimal systems are less desirable, which is a fine answer. But it's certainly a choice to choose the less-optimal system, with the understanding that that choice is going to lock out some people due to resource constraints. And the current method rewards time-rich people i…

That only goes for very high-profile shows. The vast majority of shows do not sell out in minutes, or even at all.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by emodendroket » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 1:28 PM UTC

oldandtired wrote: post #153

emodendroket wrote: post #143

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Because everyone who lives in the United States understands that there is an expectation that if you go to a restaurant you will tip the server in all but the most egregious circumstances. You may as well ask why it's considered rude to eat with your hands while making loud noises when, after all, there's no rule you have violated by doing so. Furthermore, I'm going to make the assumption that, since you're posting h…

I care full-time for my wife and I don't have the resources to eat out. That is a luxury for us. It takes much time to afford such treats. I have less income than many who cry poor, but live comfortably because we manage what we have so that we can. I have worked in very low paying jobs and that was my choice at the time. When it become infeasible to continue working in that area, I left and found other work that pai…

Well, no, both parties in that scenario are cheating the worker. You can't really walk into a restaurant, pay the lower prices that are possible because of tipping culture, deliberately skip the expected tip, and then wash your hands of any complicity in the scheme. It's like people who are themselves comfortable but talk about how all social programs should be eliminated so the poor see the inherent injustice of capitalism and rise up to overthrow it -- it sounds like a bold stance but ultimately volunteers someone else to make the sacrifice.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by emodendroket » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 2:48 PM UTC

racer-v wrote: post #151

oldandtired wrote: post #150

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The problem here, is that you cannot see that your economy is based on establishing social injustice in all areas. Tipping, as a requirement because businesses don't pay their employees fairly, is to be treated as a moral obligation on someone who is not part of that process instead of a symptom of the basic injustice of the employer/employee relationship. The only tightwads here are the businesses (and the employees…

The idea is that if you don't get good service, you don't have to pay the tip. People whose incomes consist mainly of tips can make absolutely crazy amounts of money if they're good at their jobs and work hard. It's not for everyone but it works for some people. I wouldn't want to rely on being tipped out because I really don't have the personality for it.

Depending on what establishment they're working at, they may be quite far from "absolutely crazy" amounts of money.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by jdmichal » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:14 PM UTC

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #162

jdmichal wrote: post #161

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Your original response was that there wasn't a similarity between unpaid internships and concert ticket sales. And now your response is that more optimal systems are less desirable, which is a fine answer. But it's certainly a choice to choose the less-optimal system, with the understanding that that choice is going to lock out some people due to resource constraints. And the current method rewards time-rich people i…

That only goes for very high-profile shows. The vast majority of shows do not sell out in minutes, or even at all.

The bit quoted in my original comment called that out already. Of course it's not an issue when it's not an issue...

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by pc86 » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 11:32 AM UTC

gberger wrote: post #121

pc86 wrote: post #97

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Please explain how raising the price of a large pizza increases money in the driver's pocket.

The pizza place generates more revenue -> the increased revenue can be used to increase wages -> drivers get more money It's that simple, but it doesn't work in American tipping culture.

You're assuming increased revenue won't go toward:

- Increased marketing

- Upgrading facilities

- Moving facilities

- Hiring more drivers at the same wages

- Paying off corporate debt

- Acquiring more corporate debt

- Owner salary

- Owner profit

Most of which would have an outsized impact on the health of the company compared to changing the driver's salary from $8/hr to $10/hr.