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>My problem with this 'outing' of CA is that Facebook explicitly commercially exists to harvest user data for Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Fidelity etc etc so they can profile us. Not only conglomerates but anyone with the money and know-how. Example P&G proxy fight: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-procter-gamble-trian-inve... Neubecker said he has seen several ads on his Facebook feed that link to Trian’s…
Sorry what are you talking about ? Please provide some evidence that anyone with money and know how can harvest tens of millions of accounts from Facebook. Your example does not address this and seems just like normal Facebook targeting to me.
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Re: 50M Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach
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Something I have been noticing for quite some time now is an increasing tendency for people to seemingly believe they can read other people's minds &/or the future, or that they somehow have an omniscient insight into the world. You might expect this on Facebook or Reddit, and I know this will not please most people here, but it is becoming rather common on HN as well. To those of you who disagree with me, keep this…
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov, Column in Newsweek (21 January 1980)
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How about this idea: what if the Russian bots aren't actually Russian? How has no one considered this possibility?
Yes they have considered it. And they have identified they are Russian. You really think governments wouldn't have checked this ?
How did they identify with certainty that they are Russian? Is there any way for someone without top secret clearance to verify this?
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#165I used to make fb apps, any app gets full access to fb's user graph as long as they request the relevant permissions. Users don't comprehend what permissions they are giving to apps they run. A quiz site getting full access is not surprising. Once an app has any amount of access the only thing stopping them from harvesting their own clone of your data is an agreement in the ToS that you won't store PII for more than…
> We should be asking why even an authorized API that can't stop you from copying the data doesn't count as a systemetized data breach. Is your argument that no company should offer any developer APIs at all? It's impossible to stop apps from storing data that they have access to, given malicious intent. This is like saying that the existence of the Google Calendar API is a "systemetized data breach" because an app c…
This puts Google on the wrong side of the line, wherever it is, next to other big offenders - fb, twitter, linkedin.
To waffle less, I would absolutely be very cautious with who you give access to your gcal. You can tell a lot about a person knowing their schedule, who they meet with, where they meet, when they fly, etc. Lots on a calendar
Re: 50M Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach
#166My problem with this 'outing' of CA is that Facebook explicitly commercially exists to harvest user data for Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Fidelity etc etc so they can profile us. A million dollars is chump change in the crazy US election game. This all seems overly selective - it's ok for some people to profile but not for others. I'm not in favor of any of it to be clear but there is a definite political bia…
You should read this:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistl...
Three particularly important points:
The guy who was contracted by CA to steal the data is from Russia.
He had previously undisclosed funding from the Russian government.
CA later tried to do business from a Russian oligarch.
Choice quote:
"There are other dramatic documents in Wylie’s stash, including a pitch made by Cambridge Analytica to Lukoil, Russia’s second biggest oil producer. In an email dated 17 July 2014, about the US presidential primaries, Nix wrote to Wylie: “We have been asked to write a memo to Lukoil (the Russian oil and gas company) to explain to them how our services are going to apply to the petroleum business. Nix said that “they understand behavioural microtargeting in the context of elections” but that they were “failing to make the connection between voters and their consumers”. The work, he said, would be “shared with the CEO of the business”, a former Soviet oil minister and associate of Putin, Vagit Alekperov.
“It didn’t make any sense to me,” says Wylie. “I didn’t understand either the email or the pitch presentation we did. Why would a Russian oil company want to target information on American voters?”"
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> Remember that Facebook gives you zero access to users’ data just for being an advertiser. As an advertiser you can target users based on very specific details, and track any user that responds to your advertisement campaign. You get all the access (AKA, you know which part of your customer base resulted from targeted ad campaigns, so anything you can target on, you can attribute to that subset). Regarding elections…
We are on a technical forum, thus I expect you to come up with a technical description on how can I use fb ads targeting to find out who is white and likes Arsenal in my neighborhood. Arguing that only some advertisers get access to the tools required is bullshit: this is saying that Facebook won't tell you directly who is such and such, but will give you access to tools to bypass their own rules. I hope you see how…
Re: 50M Facebook profiles harvested for Cambridge Analytica in major data breach
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Can you explain why it's unethical to hold people accountable for their actions or actions others took on their behalf?
From my post, again: >But it is unethical to exaggerate and hold only part of the political system accountable Please consider what I wrote in sum. Partisanship and exaggeration are antithetical to trust.
From your original post:
> The only reason this is exaggerated as a "data breech" is because of the connection to the Trump campaign.
You have provided no evidence of this, and until you do, your comment is read as a case of whataboutism[0]. Because we are not shoehorned into the pursuit of a unilateral solution, we can both [A] call out Trump's unethical engagement of Cambridge Analytica (CA) and [B] lobby for more stringent privacy regulations, like the EU is doing.
Given the, as a prior commenter said, 25 scandals, along with string of accusations of indecent conduct, collusion, etc. that Trump is clouded with, the conclusion being made is that his engagement is not the unknowing of an unethical actor acting on his behalf, rather the turning of a blind eye.
So given the inflammatory nature of the original comment:
> Let's be realistic here. This headline is nothing but partisanship.
So in sum, on first glance your comment leads me to assume you have an agenda.
Assuming that this isn't true, lets talk about main issue here: the micro targeting of ads, and the usage of this "data breach" in the Trump campaign.
Frankly, this scares me. The power this data provides and the way that it can be wielded should scare people - who wants to live in a world where the government/corporations/people can induce people into certain behaviors? Whether Trump or Clinton uses this information would result in people bringing up their pitchforks.
I don't think that we're exaggerating here calling it a data breach - it is a gross misuse of personal information, however gained. And while I'll admit the term data breach is a bit of a stretch, the connotation of the word fits perfectly with the situation. People downloaded an app for a survey, had their entire social network scraped, and then had that information used for an ulterior motive, without them knowing at all. We should be holding them accountable for their scummy behavior. Facebook already is starting to.
We've already seen the GOP bring up the email campaign and Benghazi for the entire length of the Clinton campaign. Note the irony here as the GOP is almost completely silent over America's current president's daily antics. It is the lack of response from the GOP toward any of the recent political events that is characterizing HN's response toward CA as overblown.
So with that said, why do you believe that it's unethical to call out Trump and by extension CA's actions.
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> Facebook explicitly commercially exists to harvest user data for Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Fidelity etc etc Sources on this?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/p-g-to-scale-back-targeted-face... Not hard to find information, although it is typically couched as brand reach and advertising spots. The big data sales side of FB and other sites is more sensitive and less overt https://www.facebook.com/help/494750870625830?helpref=uf_per...
I’ve spent lots of time and money getting data out of FB.
You can pay to get anonymized topic data via DataSift and others, you can pay to run ads against users you have email addresses for (but you don’t get their data) or you can scrape (which is against the terms of service and they have an aggressive anti bot system to stop it - unlike Twitter).
Their political support systems are analytics support to ad buying.
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> It is harder to find information about FB's data sales policies So you’re explicitly agreeing that you have no proof that Facebook is offering data for sale. The quote you cite has nothing to do with the initial assertion: providing consultants that teach people how to use the ad manager is something completely different than selling PII.
Obviously you won't be finding a FB webpage providing details of where to buy user data by the thousands as I tried to explain above. FB"s role working with and for the Trump campaign provides some insights Trump, Cambridge Analytica and how big data is reshaping politics - Gillian Tett in the FT https://www.ft.com/content/e66232e4-a30e-11e7-9e4f-7f5e6a7c9...
That’s the exact opposite of Facebook selling them the data.