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Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Here is another gui: https://rthomsen6.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/introducing-syste...

These look nice but the big problem is that they may not be compatible and maintained over the long term because they are not a std part of the desktop.

Because they aren't needed. We can pretend that the intended user base is your cousin and your grandma if you want but the people that actually use Linux have no problem enabling and disabling services with the command line.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Sometimes finding it difficult to do something is an indication you might have a suboptimal work flow. You can get plenty of info about the health of the drive while the system is running. There isn't much reason to run a filesystem check unless something is wrong. Speaking of services it's extremely easy to query which services are running and enable and disable stuff. Plus there aren't 85 different things running.…

I’m well aware of the options. The drive isn’t the problem. This thread was about usability and I did happen to need a filesytem check. I’m not a fan of Microsoft biz practices but if you think Linux has nothing to learn from windows (especially on the desktop) you are mistaken.

Basically the optimal tool for offline maintenance is a live disk which will actually work if the drive is screwed up.

Basically you were holding it wrong.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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>Instead, they could have gotten all the Android apps and the popularity of Android essentially for free. No they wouldn't have. They would not get Google Play Services and your MicroG "solution" is ridiculous from a commercial perspective and a violation from a TOS perspective that would be shut down by Google. >It's even possible they could have overtaken Google and became the effective steward of the Android platf…

> They would not get Google Play Services If I have Firefox and thus can load up any Google web page, do I need Google Play Services?

What does a browser have to do with Google Play Services? Google Play Services, like the name implies, supplies services to apps and games. Without these services a large majority of apps that rely on them will cease to work on an Android phone without Google Play Services.

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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Apparently KaiOS is a fork of Firefox OS/B2G. So... where's the code, yo? I've scoured Github, but no sign of it. edit: nevermind: "KaiOS is based on the Firefox OS open-source project and we are committed to abide by the rules of the applicable open source licenses. Therefore, we’ll make the source code available to the extent required by the applicable open source licenses." So that's a no on giving back to the B2G…

It's not a "no on giving back". You only have to make available the source for products you ship, and KaiOS itself is not the one shipping the devices, so it's up to the OEMs to provide the source they use on their phones (they do their own customizations). That being said, I'm trying to get us to open source the "base" version which is provided to OEMs.

Yeah, it would be awesome to have this open-source, with the help of the community one can achieve great things.

There was this project for FirefoxOS to support J2ME apps -- https://github.com/mozilla/pluotsorbet It would be great to have something like that for "nostalgic" reasons. Many feature phones' users remember J2ME apps, games especially, very fondly. Check out also this J2ME project, which could potentially be ported to KaiOS as well: https://github.com/XerTheSquirrel/SquirrelJME

Also, have you considered some kind of support for "content blocking" (like in iOS, or in the form of typical browser plugin-ins), of course, I'm not saying that ANY content should be blocked by default. But taking into account that devices with KaiOS wouldn't be very powerful, it could be really useful to have such an option to avoid "unnecessary" stuff when browsing the Internet...

Anyway, keep up good work!

Re: KaiOS – A Smartphone Operating System

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> They would not get Google Play Services If I have Firefox and thus can load up any Google web page, do I need Google Play Services?

What does a browser have to do with Google Play Services? Google Play Services, like the name implies, supplies services to apps and games. Without these services a large majority of apps that rely on them will cease to work on an Android phone without Google Play Services.

I was thinking that with a browser the need for on-phone apps is significantly reduced.

If one does want or need native apps (e.g. for security), then is it possible for a third party to emulate Google Play Services? Or do they use a certificate to prevent third-party clones?

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