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The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by hrktb »

microtonal wrote: post #127
Semaphor wrote: post #78

The reason why for me, someone with a netflix and amazon prime account in Germany, bittorrent is neither dead nor declining (for movies and TV shows): a) Being on time. If you want to take part in the online discussion about tv shows, you have to watch them on time. For a ton of shows I can't even buy episodes on the day they come out. Torrenting is still the far superior choice. b) Languages. Yes netflix, I know tha…

a) Being on time. If you want to take part in the online discussion about tv shows, you have to watch them on time. For a ton of shows I can't even buy episodes on the day they come out. Torrenting is still the far superior choice. I generally found that buying a season pass on iTunes typically gives you episodes as soon as they come out. They often offer shows in the original version and with German subtitles/audio.…

Except if it’s a japanese show. Then it won’t be on itunes or you’ll see it in a year.

Because apparently fuck japanese shows, both ways (right holder side and distributor side).

Netflix is getting better at this game, but worldwide same time release is still more of a miracle than a standard procedure. If it ever gets release outside of japan in the first place.

Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by jedberg »

pietjepuk88 wrote: post #136
jedberg wrote: post #120

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> Netflix usually doesn't offer even English subtitles to an English-speaking movie if you're in a non-English speaking country! Sadly, this has nothing to do with streaming and everything to do with rightsholders (aka "Hollywood"). The rights on the subtitles are held by the company that makes them, are then sold to the company that distributes the movie, which are then resold to regional distributors, separately fr…

But they always seem to offer English CC though, just not the regular ones (for many movies). And the regular ones should just be a simple transformation of the CC ones (strip all "\[.*?\]" stuff). That said, the other day I watched the movie "Easy A" which did happen to have both English CC and normal English subtitles. Still the only one I've found so far though.

Technically it is easy to create the subtitles, but legally that would be a derivative work of the CC subtitles, so again, it comes down to copyright law. :(

Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by monksy »

jjeaff wrote: post #8
monksy wrote: post #3

Putting Kodi under "Streaming Piracy" is pretty inflamitory. Kodi isn't there to enable streaming piracy. (There are non-offical plugins that do that, but they've made many announcements about Kodi's stance on Piracy)

But let's be honest, 99.99% of Kodi and Plex use is purely for pirated content. Otherwise, I'm not sure where everyone is getting all these non DRM digital downloads. And most aren't using special plugins with Kodi, they just use Kodi to play their content they get from torrents and Usenet.

> But let's be honest, 99.99% of Kodi and Plex use is purely for pirated content.

While you're grouping them in that category, why not put Microsoft Windows Media Center, XBox Media Center, and Playstation Media Center, and Apple TV in that category as well.

Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by lghh »

pmarreck wrote: post #151
bitwize wrote: post #132

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It's also illegal, and this isn't the 90s or early 2000s -- copyright laws are being enforced.

Ah, if only there was a 1:1 correspondence between what is "legal" and what is "ethical/fair"...

Regardless if it's "ethical/fair" or not (and it's really concerning that you're conflating the two words) it's still illegal and you can get hit pretty hard for it. Saying it's ethical doesn't get you out of court or a hefty fine.

Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by eikenberry »

make3 wrote: post #74
mattmanser wrote: post #28

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Until the EU want to do a new trade deal with the US, and the US decides it wants to co-opt your legal framework to enforce its commercial appropriation of European culture, history and stories through Disney and Hollywood. And then you'll be getting lots of enforcement. The whole copyright thing is just a US export thing, as soon as it becomes a problem for them, they'll force the EU to make it a problem for you too…

this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think copyright is a good thing, as it allows for artists to actually get paid for their work

I agree it once was a good thing, but not anymore. It once was a good compromise where we gave up our right to share for a limited time to incentivize the distribution of works. This was a good compromise as 'sharing' at the time was very hard (required hand copying or a printing press). But today it is a terrible compromise as not only is distribution no longer a problem, they have stretched limited-time out so far as to be meaningless.

Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by eikenberry »

xyzzyz wrote: post #95
bdz wrote: post #16

At least where I live, Hungary, torrenting was decriminalized some years ago as long as someone isn't doing it for profit. It's still illegal but they stopped going after end users. The biggest private tracker has 770k users atm with an exceptional 1452% seed to leech ratio. Basically almost everyone (ie daily internet users) is using it in the country. Also they introduced a "blank media" tax on everything (CD, DVD,…

In Poland, downloading movies, music and books (but not software) as a regular person is completely legal. What is not legal is distributing them, so you have to make sure to disable uploading in your torrent client.

Kind of ironic that they are using the law to enforce bad behavior.

Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by jedberg »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #153
distances wrote: post #108

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This is a major issue with streaming services. Netflix usually doesn't offer even English subtitles to an English-speaking movie if you're in a non-English speaking country! At least with DVDs you could rip it and add subtitles yourself if needed.

Netflix seems to be pretty opinionated about subtitles. Try watching Narcos without subs, you can't. "Off" means the Spanish parts are subbed, and switching it to Spanish means the English parts are subbed! Netflix, a Californian company, simply couldn't fathom that some people might understand English and Spanish.

Heh, that's actually funny. I'll be that is a technology issue and not a rights issue. The again, how do you indicate that you understand both languages? For a standard movie, the "foreign" language is always subtitled (unless the director specifically sats not to), even with subs off.

Re: The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017)

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Post by sigstoat »

make3 wrote: post #134
khedoros1 wrote: post #126

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Problems: - Company hires a bunch of artists to make something, pays them one time, keeps gathering checks decades after the artists are dead, and even longer after they're getting any payment for the work. - Artist collects money from their work, dies, and the estate continues collecting for decades. The purpose of copyright should be to encourage artists to create works for the enrichment of society as a whole, by…

i agree that for patents, monopolising an invention forever allows innovation too much. but for art? the world will survive without getting able to copy a specific artist's work for free.. they created something out of thin air, there is very little reason for them to benefit from it, including selling it's rights or them moving on to their successors, like all other things that have value

> i agree that for patents, monopolising an invention forever allows innovation too much.

patents are largely unrelated to discussion of copyright. the durations are separate, and in fact, patent durations are largely harmonized to be 20 years, now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Term_of_patent that's nothing compared to the ~75 years of copyright.

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