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List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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Don't recognize most of them but the other day I learned Nokia was incorporated in 1871 and it is still around.

I just noticed that Stella Artois is 650 years old!

and still doing good...Here's their superbowl ad: http://adage.com/article/special-report-super-bowl/stella-ar...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as an alternative point of view, they're debasing and ridiculing the term, whereas you're helping to inflate its importance by trying to keep it a taboo. As an aside, here's an interview with the Jewish actor who played the Soup Nazi: http://uproxx.com/tv/soup-nazi-interview-seinfeld-apartment/

Well, I give you an upvote for that. Good answer but I don't agree.

Taking offense at "beer Nazi" could lead someone to infer that you believe the term Nazi must only be used in a dignified context. Who is normalizing what is in the eye of the beholder, as people have been belittling Nazis since the 1930s.

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The oldest name on this list that stood out to me is Weihenstephan brewery, founded in 1040 in Bavaria, Germany. They have some of the finest lagers I have ever tried. If you enjoy crisp, refreshing lager beers, I highly recommend their beers. My favorite one is probably the Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier, followed by the Hefeweissbier Dunkel. Note: I am not affiliated in any way with the company, I just highly enjoy…

Lots of breweries. Belgian Abbeys; Grimbergen, Affligem... Can anyone opine on how similar today's beers might taste to how they did "back in the day?" I'm sure some of the beers are based on the original recipes, and with the Reinheitsgebot, it's fairly plausible that all of the ingredients in the German beers in particular are very similar. But I'm not sure how the process might have changed over the years, or how…

The modern Trappist Belgium styles ("dubbel, tripel" etc.) were pretty much conceived by Westmalle in the 1920s-1930s. (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/a-brief-h...). Duvel is the template for the Belgium Golden Strong variety of beer -- that also was developed around the 1920s-1930s. (http://allaboutbeer.com/article/belgian-strong-golden-ale-2/)

So, no, the beers back then did not taste similar to today's beer. I would say that lambics might be the closest reflection to a style that is close to "back in the day". (http://lostbeers.com/lambic-the-real-story/) Even then, the link between today's lambic and the past only goes to the 1700s at best, and it's not clear how representative it is (at least what I can see from skimming the linked blog with Google Translate's help -- https://lambik1801.wordpress.com/).

There are also plenty of technical differences between brewing now and brewing then that would make for a different taste. It was probably a bit sweeter (less attenuation), possibly spiced different before the 1600s, possibly smoky until coal drying came into the norm, probably dark until pale malt was developed in the 19th century, probably had more room for sour notes (before pure yeast cultures were developed in the late 19th-early 20th century), etc.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surviving these millenia requires avoiding the situations where businesses are mass-confiscated or the population is destroyed by disaster. So: - not being colonised (rules out New World, Africa, middle east, India) - not going through Communism or one of the less business friendly dictatorships (rules out Eastern Europe, Russia, China etc)

World War II certainly counted as a disaster in both Germany and Japan's case, and both countries had more localized civil strife throughout the millennia as well. That's not to disprove your point, I suppose, but perhaps to make the perseverance of those companies all the more fascinating.

Yes, but in both cases the Allies went in without looting intentions and some intent to maintain as much of the surviving society as could be de-Nazified. Very rare in history.

(This is not to say that looting didn't happen; the V2 rocket programme was explicitly looted, for example)

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Should not the church be on top of this list?

I was thinking there would be a very good case for the Vatican to occupy the number one spot. Whether seen solely as the papal organisation , or as a kind of continuation of the (Western) Roman Empire, these guys have been in day to day business for at least close to two thousand years. And have the archives to prove it. Wanna check up on some royal correspondance from the year 500? They may well have the actual lett…

Another interesting tidbit to add here: one of the official titles of the pope, pontifex maximux (high priest), has its origins in the kingdom of Rome, well before the Republic was established (509 BC). Though written records don't exist of that time period, its inception is traditionally accounted to the second king of Rome, Numa (rulership ~715 – ~673 BC). This makes it one of the oldest titles, if not the oldest official title still in use.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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Should not the church be on top of this list?

I was thinking there would be a very good case for the Vatican to occupy the number one spot. Whether seen solely as the papal organisation , or as a kind of continuation of the (Western) Roman Empire, these guys have been in day to day business for at least close to two thousand years. And have the archives to prove it. Wanna check up on some royal correspondance from the year 500? They may well have the actual lett…

The continuity of the Vatican can be questioned on several fronts too.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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I hate to rain on the parade, but many of the ancient Japanese inn entries are a bit dubious. They're mostly based on traveler's reports that there was an inn at X/a new hot spring was found at X in year Y being conflated with the fact that there's an inn at X now: they may well be the same, but it's hardly ironclad proof of continuous operation.

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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The theme here appears to be food and shelter. I'd also wager that some students in Japan were given an assignment to research an old company or business and then place it on the list.

So you see that in the edit history - like 30 users from Japan all adding new entries on the same day?

Re: List of oldest companies: Before 1300

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Should not the church be on top of this list?

This list looks like it includes for-profit only. Also, with the church, it's "company" status is relegated on a per-country basis, usually to gain non-profit taxation benefits. So it's a little murky there.

Churches are some of the wealthiest organizations out there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_organizatio...

And let's get serious, some "church" related activities are hardly not-for-profits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg

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