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Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by icebraining »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #141
staunch wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs was hacking on electronics in the 1970s and building the most advanced personal computing devices from then until his death. He was not a programmer but he knew more about computers than most programmers do. There's absolutely no way to call him non-technical accurately. Bill Gates giving up programming did not make him non-technical. Elon Musk wouldn't make this mistake. He's very openly trying to emulate…

I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that in the early days of Apple, it was Wozniak who was the tech guy and did most of the tech stuff.

As far as I know, you're right: "Jobs never did a lick of engineering in his life. He had me snowed," Alcorn later recalled. "It took years before I figured out that he was getting Woz to 'come in the back door' and do all the work while he got the credit."

https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127537/Steve_Jobs_Atari_...

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by madengr »

vanderZwan wrote: post #116
InTheArena wrote: post #50

I drove the Model 3 last week. It’s a properly good car in it’s own right - It reminded me of the MOdel 3 from BMS in how it handles, of course the performance curve is totally different. The rethinking of the dashboard is perfect for the cell phone age. It’s Apple Good (back when Apple was good). The performance curve - the instant power at any point is addicting. The seats were comfortable, and the trunk space was…

Comments like this make me think the Model 3 is going to be the Ford Model T of electric cars.

The Nissan Leaf is already the model T. It's been out 6 years, is affordable, and has DC fast charging. Besides my own, I see them every day here in Kansas City, along with the Model S.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by matahwoosh »

BoorishBears wrote: post #92
InTheArena wrote: post #50

I drove the Model 3 last week. It’s a properly good car in it’s own right - It reminded me of the MOdel 3 from BMS in how it handles, of course the performance curve is totally different. The rethinking of the dashboard is perfect for the cell phone age. It’s Apple Good (back when Apple was good). The performance curve - the instant power at any point is addicting. The seats were comfortable, and the trunk space was…

The Bolt has DC fast charging, the Volt is a PHEV and would make it from LA to NY with 5 minute stops.

I believe Bolt is capped at 50kW fast charging, whereas superchargers provide 120kW, so not so fast for Bolt ;) (probably at least an hour to fully charge it's 60kWh battery)

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by rconti »

Retric wrote: post #127
mikeash wrote: post #84

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I wouldn’t describe the ~30MPH you get from a 240V RV plug as “fairly quickly.” It’s fine for an overnight charge, but you’ll basically be limited to driving the car’s single-charge range each day. It’s possible but I wouldn’t want to try it.

You can go from east to west coast in the US in 10 days while limiting yourself to ~210 miles per day. For a retired person with little need to hurry that's reasonable even with only nightly charging. Personally, I have little interest in driving 600+ miles per day making fast charging minimally useful.

For a lot of people 210 miles is the start of a weekend away. I routinely do that on a friday after work.

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Post by matahwoosh »

madengr wrote: post #162
vanderZwan wrote: post #116

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Comments like this make me think the Model 3 is going to be the Ford Model T of electric cars.

The Nissan Leaf is already the model T. It's been out 6 years, is affordable, and has DC fast charging. Besides my own, I see them every day here in Kansas City, along with the Model S.

hardly a model T with ~50-60k cars produced a year. And it hasn't been scaling production fast enough.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by matahwoosh »

BoorishBears wrote: post #94
mikeash wrote: post #41

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I don’t think it would be possible in anything like a reasonable amount of time. Non-Tesla fast chargers have huge gaps for a cross-country run. You’d have to spend days waiting for 6kW commercial chargers or 240V RV plugs charging you at 25-35MPH.

DC fast chargers aren't as common but charge the Bolt at supercharger-like speeds if you have the option

not really. 50kW max for Bolt. 120kW max for Tesla

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by WorldMaker »

InTheArena wrote: post #50

I drove the Model 3 last week. It’s a properly good car in it’s own right - It reminded me of the MOdel 3 from BMS in how it handles, of course the performance curve is totally different. The rethinking of the dashboard is perfect for the cell phone age. It’s Apple Good (back when Apple was good). The performance curve - the instant power at any point is addicting. The seats were comfortable, and the trunk space was…

There are non-Tesla DC superchargers in the US, but yes, the network of those chargers is much less reliable and less well planned in the US. (Versus Europe which maps show a much more thorough ChaDeMo network than the US, which is arguably accountable solely to relative population densities of the continents and Tesla's US-first market focus.)

ChaDeMo could still catch up with the right gumption (the rest of the auto manufacturers teaming up, for instance), and there's still a lot of talk about how the two "standards" are easily interoperable with simple adapters (and Tesla has a Tesla-to-ChaDeMo adapter, but so far as I'm aware no one has yet to negotiate for a ChaDeMo-to-Tesla adapter to be sold; Tesla is in a position of strength for now so hard to blame Tesla on hedging that position a bit in the US).

At least it looks like the different "winners" in the US versus Europe might keep the game competitive in the current term.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by madengr »

matahwoosh wrote: post #165
madengr wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nissan Leaf is already the model T. It's been out 6 years, is affordable, and has DC fast charging. Besides my own, I see them every day here in Kansas City, along with the Model S.

hardly a model T with ~50-60k cars produced a year. And it hasn't been scaling production fast enough.

But that's still 49.9k more cars than the Model 3.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by imron »

falcolas wrote: post #142
Retric wrote: post #137

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The boring company includes the idea of ~140MPH electric sleds that carry cars. This is part of their goal for 1/10th the price. It may or may not be implemented long term, but it is a novel concept and they are actually digging right now to gain expertise. I would call it similar to Space X before they started landing the rockets. Just making digging cheaper much like making rockets cheaper is a basis for a profitab…

Consider this comparison: buses carrying 50 people each on I-66 going 60mph. Which is going to carry more people into DC, at what cost? Think of the station wagon filled with hard drives vs. gigabit internet. Cars, unless going ungodly fast (140mph is not enough), are inefficient at throughput.

> Consider this comparison

Rendered moot by the fact that large numbers of people prefer the privacy and convenience of a car.

Musk's solution takes the human condition in to account.

Re: Tesla Model 3 Sets New EV Cannonball Run Record

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Post by gwicks56 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #97
kumarvvr wrote: post #89

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Steve Jobs used way more hyped up adjectives, almost as if talking to a cult following.

Steve Jobs was basically a salesman. A brilliant one. Nothing bad in that; I just wouldn't call him a "tech leader" - he was involved with technology only incidentally.

Read on twitter recently:

"Move far enough up in any career, and you are essentially doing sales".

Thought that was very true.

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