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Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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I criticize Kaczynski's philosophy because it drove him to try to kill people (and he succeeded at least once). I don't care how "seminal" and "interesting" it is. To me, his philosophy is condemned by where it led him. (Yes, I realize that a different person could have raised the same ideas without using a bombing campaign to try to publicize them...)

Judge the content not the man.

I cannot totally separate the content from the man, nor from the actions of the man.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Ouch. Hope it gets better. Have you tried subreddits like https://www.reddit.com/r/Anxiety/ , /r/offmychest/, or something like 7 cups of tea? As the story relates, we're more like to offer practical advice here on HN rather than the emotional support you probably need right now. It does, honestly, get better. You're making the right moves, even if it does all look desperate right now.

This is the culmination of the "everyone should code" movement. Is this really what you want?

No, actually it isn't, please go fuck yourself and your assumptions, jesus fucking christ. I've been interested in software development my whole adult life and have just had a series of unrecoverable bad decisions.

God, seriously, go fucking fuck yourself. It's so fucking insulting to have those kind of asinine assumptions thrown my way.

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Danke. I'm cool for the most part right now. I've come to embrace my anxiety to an extent. If I'm able to type, then that means it's mostly not affecting me at the moment. Late night just has me feeling a lack of inhibition and dis-concern for my privacy on these matters. As far as caffeine goes, I don't know what I'd do without it. Up until recently I was on 2 doses of 3 cups (measurement unit) of espresso per day,…

Caffeine can cause anxiety, I gave it up for a while when I started suffering from panic attacks and it helped. I was lucky that I had no withdrawl headaches. Also, sleep. Good sleep, a bit of regular exercise and a bit of a routine are a great deal of help to stablizing your mood and anxieties. OAuth and OpenID are completely, ridiculously, utterly, pathetically over-complicated. It's one of the worst specs ever rel…

Understood, and that's generally what I've been taking away from it, but I have a mind towards security and while I don't need to fully understand it to be a developer, I must understand it for my own purposes, as I would (1) feel completely ashamed of myself for blindly following tutorials, especially on this topic, and (2) would not want to adopt the liability that comes with implementing an insecure system for a client that has a bigger wallet than me and wants to crush me financially even further for making a mistake that harmed their customers or business. Is such a scenario likely? I don't know; doubtful, but still, I'd feel like an impostor.

Truthfully, the spec itself doesn't seem too difficult to understand; it's mostly my inability to stay focused that causes me the problems I deal with when studying and coding. Perhaps the true culprit of our times are browser tabs; the more I have open, the more overwhelming it becomes to consume them.

As for caffeine and anxiety it's better than the depression that I feel with a lack of caffeine. Caffeine also has a kind of analgesic effect, or rather maybe the lack of caffeine causes me to have more pain in my spine for some reason. Sleep isn't too difficult with chronic melatonin use. Your body never adapts to melatonin as with other substances, so you can maintain the same dose (5mg in my case) with consistent efficacy. I'm out within 30 minutes after taking melatonin.

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> reframing one's own thoughts. Who is this entity that is reframing the your thoughts. Is it also not you? This is some sort of psychotic thinking to divide yourself into many parts, one part passing judgments and rulings on the other. This sort of thinking of is at the root of why we are so conflicted and full of suffering. This just perpetuates that style of thinking without examining why we are so divided in the…

No, it's your therapist working with you.

sure but its actually you thats telling yourself to think differently.

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The only people who long for a large family are the ones that aren't in one. Look at how much constant violence and bullying there is between any siblings when an adult isn't around to stop it.

Different environment, no? Back then, kids would need to rely on each other more, no? Nowadays, what good is a sibling really?

"Back then" you would try and kill your oldest brother to inherit the 2 chickens and a goat your parents would leave to him.

Read no further than the histories of nobles and their feuds and murders to see how bad the best families were.

Re: Modern life is lonely – We all need someone to help

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Different environment, no? Back then, kids would need to rely on each other more, no? Nowadays, what good is a sibling really?

"Back then" you would try and kill your oldest brother to inherit the 2 chickens and a goat your parents would leave to him. Read no further than the histories of nobles and their feuds and murders to see how bad the best families were.

The nobles were the richest families, but not necessarily the best by any other measure.

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"Back then" you would try and kill your oldest brother to inherit the 2 chickens and a goat your parents would leave to him. Read no further than the histories of nobles and their feuds and murders to see how bad the best families were.

The nobles were the richest families, but not necessarily the best by any other measure.

Best by food availability, shelter, labor.

Given that even in good years a large portion of the population was malnourished in whatever time period you want to pick before the middle of the 20th century, the rich were always better off than the poor and rich families were better than poor ones.

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The nobles were the richest families, but not necessarily the best by any other measure.

Best by food availability, shelter, labor. Given that even in good years a large portion of the population was malnourished in whatever time period you want to pick before the middle of the 20th century, the rich were always better off than the poor and rich families were better than poor ones.

Right, all those things are different ways of saying wealth.

The implication made uphtread is that the rich were best in terms of (lower) intrafamilial conflict. One might assume that wealth produced that effect, one might also assume that the rich were more dependent on social status and property for support, while the poor were more dependent on having close relations who could give aid and lacked assets to fight over, thus leading to less intrafamilial conflict than among the rich.

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>go to college Lucky ones. Here in Russia you are expected to have university diploma by 21-22, otherwise you are close to being treated as subhuman, lol. As a result - huge paint for many people, depreciation of higher education etc.

That's definitely a risk, and for all our pressure to go to college it's less bad in the US than elsewhere. I know Japan still has "simultaneous hiring", where a whole graduating class gets hired at once, and if you don't have a degree and a job on schedule you either avoid graduating or risk being marginalized. Compared to something like that, the US is still admirably willing to let people take time off school, dro…

Even in the US, not participating in on campus recruiting makes the job hunt much harder as a new grad (from personal experience). That being said I agree that the penalty is much less than in Japan where entire careers will close their doors on you for basically the rest of your life. In the US we have opportunities to claw back even after we have setbacks.

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I know a few people who have suggested attending a Unitarian Church ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism ) as a way to get the social benefits of church without having to subscribe to a religious belief. Many congregations include atheists and agnostics.

There is also Sunday Assembly: https://www.sundayassembly.com/ "The Sunday Assembly was started by Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, two comedians who were on the way to a gig in Bath when they discovered they both wanted to do something that was like church but totally secular and inclusive of all—no matter what they believed."

Had no idea such a thing existed. Thanks for the information.
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