Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

Post by crdoconnor » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 5:03 PM UTC

chimeracoder wrote: post #63

brndnmtthws wrote: post #23

Happy to hear workers are standing up for themselves. The anti-union FUD campaign in the US has contributed significantly to the erosion of middle class wages over the past 50 years (check out Thomas Piketty's work if you're curious about this).

> The anti-union FUD campaign in the US has contributed significantly to the erosion of middle class wages It's way more complicated than that, and it can't simply be dismissed as a "FUD campaign". Union members are actually disproportionately likely to support things like right-to-work laws, which unions dislike because it (more or less) means workers aren't obligated to be members if they choose not to. Similarly,…

Post by 09094920394314 » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 5:05 PM UTC

stale2002 wrote: post #157

09094920394314 wrote: post #141

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What exactly is "my attitude" please? And good on you, others will either agree or disagree with you. But I do wonder, why should you be allowed to stop union efforts if others aren't allowed to force you to join? And with whom would you...organize to stop union efforts?

The attitude of social contracts and not caring about people's free choice to not join unions. And thinking "oh, don't like unions, tough luck, go find another job or move to another country". > But I do wonder, why should you be allowed to stop union efforts if others aren't allowed to force you to join? But they ARE allowed to force me to join, under threat of being fired, in some states. So that's why. If the US h…

Post by tw04 » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 5:05 PM UTC

chimeracoder wrote: post #113

tw04 wrote: post #98

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>This pattern isn't as simple to dismiss as "anti-union FUD", especially since it's seen among people who are already union members in closed shops. You act as though anti-union FUD can't affect members. That's kind of ridiculous... if it didn't affect MEMBERS as well as non-members, what would be the point? If I'm a less-educated union member who has no concept of what life was like before unions, and constantly hea…

> You act as though anti-union FUD can't affect members. That's kind of ridiculous... if it didn't affect MEMBERS as well as non-members, what would be the point? If I'm a less-educated union member who has no concept of what life was like before unions, and constantly hear that unions just take my money while providing no benefit, I'm probably likely to be swayed. What's the union going to do? Tell me about how 50 y…

Post by ntsplnkv2 » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 5:07 PM UTC

petre wrote: post #145

ksec wrote: post #90

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Erosion of Middle Class "may" have started long before, but it rapidly took off after 2008. ( There are Middle Class / Level wages, but those wages dont put them in Middle Class anymore )* The way I see it, is either Government protect their Workers and working class with benefits and wages, Like what many parts of Europe have done or they allow Union to do it. And i know this is considered an extremely unpopular opi…

Well, companies will just use more robots, fire more workets. Robots don't get unionized, they don't need health insurance or the gov't to step and protect them. European economy is slow compared to the US due to high taxes, too much social protection and needless state meddling in the economy. If they introduce a tax on robots it will only get worse.

Post by petre » Thu, Nov 23, 2017, 5:09 PM UTC

yardie wrote: post #82

eriken wrote: post #55

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Well if a company cannot compete because wages are too high then the company goes under and jobs are gone. Germany is a good example of this, they have a ton of unions and lots of production but the unions understand that competition is key to survival so there are very few strikes.

Germany has a modern welfare system. When demand goes down, salaries go down. So the state welfare system makes up the difference. German unions also have a seat at the board. Unlike most board run companies a decision isn't made without input from the union. So yes, there few strikes in Germany because labor and management actually behave like adults.