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To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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> "take back what used to belongs to us in the first place" Could you elaborate about how we used to be the owners of the ISPs? Are you referring to the use of eminent domain laws to lay cable?

I think they mean the internet in general, built originally by the US government.

ARPANET infrastructure became redundant and obsolete after private entites made better and faster backbone links, and so was decommissioned in 1990.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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post #9

> A future in which ISPs are owned by local governments, small businesses, nonprofit community groups, and the people they serve are the path forward and the only realistic way of ending big telecom’s stranglehold on America. I'd like that. These day internet access is more like a utility. It helps people telecommute, do banking, grocery shopping even, pay bills, etc. If municipalities can handle providing water and…

I'm hoping that if the big ISPs start giving poor service, it will help local non-profit ISPs stay competitive because they're providing better service.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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How're you feeling about the choice of (someone) vs. Rossi, out of curiosity? (also, I see we have a bunch of shared connections on LinkedIn. I'm ex-Visual Studio.)

It depends on who that someone will be, of course, but I'm feeling rather optimistic - our district went for Clinton by 3 points, and I think by 2018 any Republican candidate won't be able to clearly distance themselves away from Trump and the federal GOP platform. Reichert had the benefit of being the incumbent, and being a fairly moderate Republican (or rather a very pragmatic one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M…

I meant the former, but I appreciate the answers to both.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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I live in the US, and agree with most of your point, but regarding military spending, a significant portion of that is due to occupation of foreign countries and external military bases. The US is basically the last country paying to maintain an empire.

The historical norm is that a successful empire is very profitable. If you have to spend money maintaining it, you're doing it wrong. In other words: the US is not an empire. It's something that needs a different term.

What makes you say that it isn't profitable? The US has the largest GDP of any country by a large margin. Even the entire (pre-Brexit) EU combined is about 10% smaller.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The historical norm is that a successful empire is very profitable. If you have to spend money maintaining it, you're doing it wrong. In other words: the US is not an empire. It's something that needs a different term.

What makes you say that it isn't profitable? The US has the largest GDP of any country by a large margin. Even the entire (pre-Brexit) EU combined is about 10% smaller.

But how much of the US GDP is attributable to its 'empire', especially considering the opportunity costs of the human and other capital invested in the DoD? I'd love to see the result of a detailed analysis.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#166
post #35

I don't quite buy this suggestion. ISPs would easily be able to identify and block VPN traffic running over their lines. The best action here is to act while there is still time to change course. Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boy…

> Another pressure point besides contacting your gov representatives (or visiting their offices in person!) is to contact Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and let them know that you, your friends and family will cancel contracts and boycott their services if they continue to support Pai and his dangerous agenda. The rep on the line might not even know what you’d be going on about and would just cancel your line without relayin…

Then take it as an opportunity to patiently explain the issue to them. Perhaps they do not realize they are working for the Dark Side. And perhaps your explanation will enable them to understand similar calls from other customers.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#167
post #29

I have a proposition: You know how Tor works? Onion routing? Send traffic encrypted multiple times through a list of nodes before exiting at an edge? What if everyone sent their traffic back and forth to eachother. One hop, encrypted, and then forwarded. Just like Tor, but a single hop. Not anonymized, just peer-to-peer distributed. If everyone did that (build it into browsers) the internet would function _full-mesh_…

I guess they would put all P2P traffic on the low priority lane. Some part of the people would try the fast lane, because the slow one is too slow and they do not care enough about NN. In the end the P2P people would lose.

Yep. It's a shame that everyone just wants to binge netflix and facebook. The _rest_ of the internet is inherently peer-to-peer.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#168

Rather than "build our own" we should take back what used to belongs to us in the first place. They say there's a shortage of qualified I.T. people. If you work for telecoms who support a non-neutral internet, then quit. Go on strike. Work only for companies who support Net Neutrality. Kill the enemy using free market capitalism.

> If you work for telecoms who support a non-neutral internet, then quit. Go on strike. Work only for companies who support Net Neutrality. ...you'll probably starve to death, though. Even with the immense shortage of technicians, there's also an immense shortage of ISPs that give a damn about Net Neutrality and are willing and/or able to give people jobs. We've foolishly allowed all of the ISPs to merge to the point…

> ...you'll probably starve to death

You shouldn't let fear rule your life and turn you into slaves for evil men.

They are helpless without us. Sure they can hire scabs, but chances are those scabs won't know how to do the job.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

#169

Rather than "build our own" we should take back what used to belongs to us in the first place. They say there's a shortage of qualified I.T. people. If you work for telecoms who support a non-neutral internet, then quit. Go on strike. Work only for companies who support Net Neutrality. Kill the enemy using free market capitalism.

> "take back what used to belongs to us in the first place" Could you elaborate about how we used to be the owners of the ISPs? Are you referring to the use of eminent domain laws to lay cable?

Happily.

The first ISPs were small BBSes operated by single SysOps, scattered across all the towns in America. There were a few corporate exceptions like CompuServ but the majority of the original consumer internet was completely owned and controlled by regular people with a passion for the technology.

Re: To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet

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post #88

Rather than "build our own" we should take back what used to belongs to us in the first place. They say there's a shortage of qualified I.T. people. If you work for telecoms who support a non-neutral internet, then quit. Go on strike. Work only for companies who support Net Neutrality. Kill the enemy using free market capitalism.

> They say there's a shortage of qualified I.T. people. Whoever told you that is lying to you.

> Whoever told you that is lying to you.

No. The key word in the statement is "qualified". The marketplace is flooded with unqualified candidates with 4 year degrees.

Capability in the tech industry can't be taught in 4 years. It's a life-long passion. And those people are extremely rare.

This is why you keep seeing preventable security breaches in giant corporations. They can't find competent employees.

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