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> In India, it’s about $309 today. So about three times the average monthly wage if the numbers I find are right. (Sneak edit) Just to write it down another way, that means 25% of the average yearly income. For a phone.
So, get one second hand and it will be even cheaper. The point was it is not $700 for security.
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> In India, it’s about $309 today. So about three times the average monthly wage if the numbers I find are right. (Sneak edit) Just to write it down another way, that means 25% of the average yearly income. For a phone.
So, get one second hand and it will be even cheaper. The point was it is not $700 for security.
It's amazing to me how many comments here excuse Google's behavior by offering the impractical "solution" of just not using a smartphone (a false dilemma) when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone. That's the advice of pretty much everyone in the infosec field and I'm sure some of them will attest to that in this thread.
Always follow the money.
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> impractical "solution" of just not using a smartphone (a false dilemma) when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone. What is your life like to where you think not having a cell is impractical. In any case a smart phone is fundamentally a weak point in privacy/security no matter which one you get.
> What is your life like to where you think not having a cell is impractical. In the 90s it was inconvenient to be out and about if you were expecting a call. You might be able to check your messages though, by dialing your answering machine from a payphone. Payphones barely exist anymore, so it would be even more inconvenient. If you need to be reachable at all (nowadays by email/sms), a cell phone is nearly a requi…
Donald Knuth gave up email in 1990. Too distracting. (I dunno but I wouldn't think he has a cellphone)
When I started grad school in '07 I wanted to forgo a cellphone. I couldn't. My advisor was even annoyed I held out on a smartphone for as long as I did (caved in 2010).
In 2013, sick of my smartphone I went back to a dumbphone. It was great until 2015 when I started working at a place so crappy I have to routinely tether my phone for productive internet access.
My point: it's very possible to live w/out a cell phone. Frankly it's not even hard (I "forget" my phone at home). However, unless you're tenured or are otherwise your own boss, you'll be forced to have one.
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You can also set your phone to airplane mode with WiFi and Bluetooth enabled most of the time unless you need 4g for something like driving directions. Google has much better security than the phone companies anyway, so letting the phone companies know where you are is bad enough. I had the idea to "red team" myself and find out if there's a way of finding out my location history from shady online data broker and the…
Unfortunately, we can't even entirely trust our phones then either. You can turn on airplane mode in the OS, but it could still choose to reactivate the radio for short bursts without you knowing. Or the the radio could be set to phone home on a regular basis on its own recognizance. This could potentially occur even if the phone is turned off. There is no way to ever completely trust a cellular device.
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As mentioned in the reply to the sibling comment, we can't know for sure unless we have source code.
How would having the iOS source code show you that Apple is selling data?
Otherwise, the assumption is that they do.
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> In India, it’s about $309 today. So about three times the average monthly wage if the numbers I find are right. (Sneak edit) Just to write it down another way, that means 25% of the average yearly income. For a phone.
So, get one second hand and it will be even cheaper. The point was it is not $700 for security.
It's amazing to me how many comments here excuse Google's behavior by offering the impractical "solution" of just not using a smartphone (a false dilemma) when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone. That's the advice of pretty much everyone in the infosec field and I'm sure some of them will attest to that in this thread.
Apple provides a black box with iOS, they have full control. Maybe the next iOS update comes with privacy intrusion because it's more lucrative. A more sensible way of dealing wirh the issue would be to use an open source Android version like AOSP or LineageOS, not run proprietary gapps, and replace its functionality with F-Droid, MicroG and Yalp-store. Your location will stay out of Apple's/Google's hands and you ca…
Reverse engineering and analysis techniques gives us enough ways to look into that so called "black box" and see what's going on.
So if Apple one day ships iOS with privacy intrusion built in, they will be caught.
I prefer to trust the motives, i.e. Apple doing reasonable things and staying away from funny business because they want to sell me iPhones.
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They were making a related but cogent point about the security implications of Google having this info versus the cell phone carriers. It did not, directly or even by implication, contradict anything you wrote – you're right that this is a privacy violation, but I didn't interpret the comment to which you replied as denying that.
It absolutely is relevant, let's take a moment and review the key point: > I can guarantee you Google protects this data more securely than your carrier does Part of acting as a company who cares about user's data includes not collecting data that is sensitive. This is especially true with location data, and is extra especially true when you do it anyway without the user's permission. Acting like this proves to me, t…
It's amazing to me how many comments here excuse Google's behavior by offering the impractical "solution" of just not using a smartphone (a false dilemma) when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone. That's the advice of pretty much everyone in the infosec field and I'm sure some of them will attest to that in this thread.
I tell all my friends / family to get an iPhone if they are upgrading. I used iOS and Android phones and I like both. However it makes even me nerveous to use a banking application or similar on an Android. Can’t imagine what kind of shit my dad would have running on an Android device with all the fake fishing apps, bloatware, tracking etc going around. With a non jailbroken iPhone I have a lot more peace of mind.