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Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by vlunkr »

charcoal23 wrote: post #140
vlunkr wrote: post #90

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the s…

I'd agree with your perceived trend. Ubuntu has the right idea with the LTS releases. Microsoft had the right idea with the LTSB, but ruined it by making it limited to enterprise customers. I hope Apple and Microsoft will start to realize many of their customers see the OS as the layer for getting things done, and not as an end to itself. Annual, or semi-annual, feature updates are not fun, waste time with a slow ins…

This does make Linux appealing to me at the moment. If a major distro changes something that bothers you, you can count on someone to fork and maintain the old way. There are trade-offs of course, but it's possible to keep you system just the way you like for a long time while still getting updates where they are important.

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Post by collectively »

marksomnian wrote: post #57
collectively wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do for their own good? I see this as for the collective good, as most of the people hurt by unpatched software are NOT microsoft but people, small businesses, and the victims of the resulting botnets. Obviously if you know what this is you can turn it off.

The issue with having an off switch is that non-tech-savvy people will blindly follow some instructions to disable it and will get caught by a major security vuln. Case in point: when Chrome throws a TLS error, you could type "danger" to bypass it, but they had to change it because businesses started teaching users to bypass errors blindly. Not exactly apples to apples, but similar enough in my mind. If users blindly…

This is true. But i’m ok with stupidity hurting individuals—at least in terms of compromise—i’m less ok with default settings being potentially insecure one day.

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Post by chmaynard »

mailslot wrote: post #109

I've been a satisfied Mac user and developer for nearly two decades. Perhaps I'm lucky, but I never had a single OS update problem during this time. Not a one. Not until High Sierra. This update is so bad, I'm actually abandoning the platform entirely. I've been shopping for new PC hardware since I installed this disease.

Agreed. After using macOS High Sierra for a few days, I was in shock and decided to downgrade to Sierra immediately. Downgrading macOS can be difficult, and in this case it was also necessary to restore the HFS+ file system. Fortunately, I had a good backup and enough spare time to do it correctly.

Re: Apple Begins High Sierra Automatic Rollout

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Post by bitexploder »

vlunkr wrote: post #90

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the s…

This is a reason I enjoy Ubuntu 16.04 so much. My drivers are stable. My programs work. My UI is i3wm and isn't going to change or improve much, it has reached a near maximum efficiency level and i3 aims to be very stable and do its job and not "innovate". The laptop hardware is supported and stable, the drivers aren't changing. All systems are go.

MacOS? Always innovating with new "features" like APFS. Are they truly making the OS easier to use in some novel way for non technical users? Are they improving things for technical users? I know technology changes and APFS is supposed to make SSDs better, but... the general sentiment is just what you stated.

My iPhone 4 used to work great with a given OS. All it needed was security updates for 3+ years, instead after about 2 the latest updated was unusable. iOS "improvements" were very hit and miss. Some were good, some were not. I do not mind mobile OS improving as much though.... that hardware has still been improving rapidly offering much better features so the more rapid OS updates kind of make sense there in terms of supporting the latest hardware.

But laptops? What has changed.....

The f* touch bar? The amazing keyboard? The Retina display?

Only one of those was a real innovation and it has been supported for a long time.

/extra_rant

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Post by bitexploder »

Joeri wrote: post #104
vlunkr wrote: post #90

I feel like I'm seeing a trend here. An OS reaches a very stable point where users are happy. But the company needs to keep pushing updates to stay relevant and generally makes things worse. I think it's why people were stuck on Windows XP for so long, and now Windows 7 will be the one people hold onto as long as possible (if they weren't automatically upgraded). The most recent versions of iOS and macOS are in the s…

This isn’t the first time on this merry-go-round. Snow leopard to lion was a downgrade in as many ways as it was an upgrade. I also remember reluctantly trading in NT4 for W2K. OS release quality isn’t a linear progression, it’s a sine wave.

And it is a flat wave :)

Every time something improves something else gets worse.

Except in Linux and maybe mobile OSes. Latest Android or iOS is objectively better, even with things that regressed.

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Post by timoth »

bluedino wrote: post #52
Overtonwindow wrote: post #17

I have a Macbook that still runs Mavericks and I'm quite happy with it. I know it sounds conspiratorial but I've never been able to shake the forced obsolescence tag when it comes to Apple. I have a laptop. It works very well. I don't feel the need to upgrade or update the software, because I don't want to lose functionality that works really well for me.

El Capitan here on a Mac that won't install anything higher, everything still runs great

Same here. Though El Capitan is the end of the (official) line for me (mid-2009 15" MBP). As its EOL is next year, I'll probably then install ubuntu.

I must say that I'm quite pleased that Apple still support a >8 year old machine. At least with software anyway -- asking at an Apple store last year about a replacement battery did not result in success!

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Post by mistercow »

A tip if you do upgrade, especially from an older macOS and you're using Apple's Mail app: back up your filters. I procrastinated and ended up upgrading from Yosemite (presumably a less well thought out upgrade for obvious reasons), and Mail helpfully deleted all of my filters. Fun times.

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Post by lloydde »

protomyth wrote: post #51

Have they fixed RAID1 on the Mac mini server? Last time I looked it wouldn’t install.

I came to ask a similar question, can macOS High Sierra now be installed on a AppleRAID set? (Not sure why it is called “AppleRAID”, guess that is they brand software RAID0)

Looks like not based on recent comments on https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/78908

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