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Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by kadal »

marksellers wrote: post #102
eumenides1 wrote: post #99

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Re: vertical space Oh you sweet sweet summer child (i kid) Vertical tabs are the way to go. I use Tree Style Tabs ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta... ) and there is also Tab center, but the experiment has ended ( https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/ ). You gain a whole tab height in space and only lose a constant amount of horizontal space. I manage a world where you can…

But I also need the horizontal space! I very often tile windows side by side to allow developing while seeing the results, or while reading documentation. Maybe I'm just picky. I don't know. Chrome does the job pretty well though, even with the bookmarks bar turned on. A vertical tabs bar would make it impossible to use many sites, like GitHub.

Win tree style tabs you can autohide. Indo that to reduce distractions

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by bwat49 »

marksellers wrote: post #6

Maybe these are silly things to complain about with fellow techies, but the things that prevent me from switching to Firefox: The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare. When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query +…

> When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query + ENTER and I'm pretty much there

This works for me with firefox 58/windows 10

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by lordlimecat »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #22

Firefox has definitely been getting better over the past year or two. I've always used Firefox, since Chrome doesn't have the ability to scroll through tabs, they just get smaller and smaller on the tab bar. I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. Firefox also lazy loads existing tabs on startup. Anyway, for a while, around 2011-2012, Firefox had terrible memory and stability i…

>Firefox is the most extensible

Not after quantum.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by detaro »

callahad wrote: post #157
naasking wrote: post #121

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> I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. I don't want it. I don't like Firefox's approach, I much prefer the shrinking tabs paradigm.

We're also experimenting with making it configurable. You can ratchet down `browser.tabs.tabMinWidth` in `about:config` to pack more tabs in per window.

This has been added back? That'd be awesome news.

It existed once, but was removed because of "complexity" and since then the recommended solution was editing userChrome.css manually (or using an extension that did so, but that of course doesn't work in 57+). Still haven't quite tied down what the CSS has to be in recent versions.

Here's the bug from back then https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=574654 (yes, I'm still salty about the attitude in there)

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by cJ0th »

simion314 wrote: post #9

I still use the Firefox ESR for the dev tools, the new dev tools are missing things like the network response preview, the debugger is not working right for me, and the Chrome look does not appeal to me, I prefer the old dev tools. Other then this as a user I like the fact the Firefox is moving again and in a right direction most of the time. I hope they respect the user privacy more and the new privacy invading feat…

> the new privacy invading feature should be opt in.

I agree. The new features, however, are not. They even ("temporarily") collect IP addresses by default when FF calls home.( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/firefox/ )

And, naturally, they also intend comply with the law. In other words, they hand over data to governments. ( https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/ )

What Mozilla are doing here is despicable.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by dreamcompiler »

I use v56 and I've disabled even checking for updates. I'd like to have the performance of v57 but it will break or severely downgrade most of the extensions I use on a daily basis. That's a dealbreaker.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by 0xbear »

Tried Firefox recently. Works fine on Linux and macOS, but hangs my Windows 10 cold after a while, requiring a hard reset. Apparently I’m not the only one, and the fix is to disable hardware acceleration.

Leaving aside the fact that Windows is garbage, browsers that hope to increase “user happiness” should not do that. Chrome does not.

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by maturz »

kalcode wrote: post #152
sandGorgon wrote: post #67

I have been on Firefox Quantum for the past couple of months. Previously, when I used Chrome on my Dell XPS 13, core i7, 16gb Linux laptop, it used to hang and kill everything almost every week. And suck battery power like no tomorrow. I've not rebooted my laptop in 2 months now and battery life is much much better. Firefox Quantum is pure win.

That's the complete opposite of the way Chrome was designed. I've rarely seen Chrome do a complete lock-up and close everything. The point of Chrome spinning up a new process per tab is that when one Tab crashed it doesn't take out the whole browser. Firefox on the other hand did this constantly. In fact the only thing that has prevented me going back, and I have regularly given it a try as I support their overall ap…

Currently using both Chrome and Firefox, for me it's quite common that Chrome completely dies no freezing just completely and instantly dying. Maybe at most once every other week but it never really happens with Firefox (maybe once or twice per year).

Re: Firefox Quantum

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Post by mwill »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #156
mwill wrote: post #116

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I'm not at the whims of an add-on developer, I'm at the whims of Mozilla. The new extension API doesn't currently have the control required to make Tab Groups, if it did I would port it myself. I won't go in to my usage specifically but windows tabs and bookmarks doesn't work nearly as well as tab groups for me personally. That's how I did it for years before switching to Firefox, and its painful for my workflow. I u…

"That's how we've always done it". AKA the most dangerous phrase in the language.

I posted this in another reply chain but:

I still use Chrome on my phone, so I get tab sync back by switching, which I gave up to gain tab groups.

I buy in to Google's ecosystem with a personal account and 2 business accounts. The slight integration is nice.

I also generally prefer Chromes UI.

So Chrome has at least 3 points in its favor, Firefox has Tab Groups, which are going away, and the idea that Mozilla is sort of more benevolent than Google, which doesn't really move me.

I know Firefox has more to offer others but thats how it shakes out for me.

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