Live data from Hacker News

USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

bloomberg.com

161–170 of 429 posts

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally correct! Most education comparisons are Apples to Samsungs. While the national average might not be the highest, the top students are amazing!

Not to mention volume- the US has way more chances to develop the next genius from sheer numbers alone. Works the same way with Olympic sports.

I'm still waiting for​ a decent men's soccer team...

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#162

The solution is simple: rank the H1B applicants by descending order of wages, and take the top 65K. Period. Done. End of story. No more abuse.

What about professions that just pay lower? If 100k is well above market for a profession it's still not particularly high for a software dev.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#163
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

> The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. This canard keeps getting repeated in HN threads. This is WRONG. 100% absolutely completely WRONG. The only stated purpose of the H-1B program is to allow foreigners with degrees (or equivalent experience) to perform skilled work in the US. Her…

Not just that, the alternative is outsourcing to India/another country. The companies that bring in the TCS/Infosys employees are typically looking to cut cost any which way possible. While I hate the gaming by TCS/Infosys and think it needs to be fixed, making H1B unnecessarily hard is not going to help fix that. A H1B employee living in the US, pays the taxes here and spends the money here. An outsourced job is an expenditure written off for tax.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#164

I'll be excited about solutions when the quality and price of education changes for Americans. There is no 'affirmative action' for the average white male to ensure access to affordable higher education.

So go to community college for 2 years and then transfer to a state school.

I went to a pretty meh public university. Didn't hold me back.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#165
post #40

Ah yes, gotta love H-1B threads. The latent nativism among the Hacker News crowd is laid bare. Here's a radical proposal: give anyone with a clean criminal record and a job offer a green card. No limits, no $100k minimum wage, no protectionism. If you, with all the advantages that natives get (networks, language, NETWORKS), can be beat by an immigrant with zero social connections, you probably are worth less than you…

What exactly is the point of a having a country at all, if not to accrue unfair advantages to its citizens? And I assume you have a problem with all other countries unfairly "opportunity hoarding" for their own people too, not just the US?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#166
post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

The stated purpose of the H1-B program is to allow companies to fill vacancies with international applicants if they are unable to find US employees qualified for the roles. I've never heard any sane, rational person object to this use case. The issue most people have is that the program seems to be rampantly abused. Companies are replacing US workers with H1-B's sourced from companies like Tata and Infosys at much l…

Infosys and TCS together received 7,504 approved H1B visas in 2014-15, which is only 8.8% of the total approved H1B visas, says Nasscom

http://www.livemint.com/Industry/pHkRcTtIoKd8MkTkBNdtSN/Info...

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#167
post #121
post #17

Two points: 1) Given that the numbers did indeed end up proving that wage arbitrageurs like Accenture were dominating the H1B lottery [ https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/06/us/outsourcin... ], reform would seem to be necessary. 2) Trump has repeatedly called for a Canadian or Australian style skills-based immigration system to replace chain and quota-based immigration. One would think HN would generally sup…

> Trump has repeatedly called for a Canadian or Australian style skills-based immigration system to replace chain and quota-based immigration coupled with slashing immigration in general.

That's because 64% of people currently coming into the US get in because they are relatives or family of another person who was given a green card. Only 15% of people come in due to skill or a job.

The bill would change the system to be more about skill/merit rather than the fact you are related by blood to someone who has skill.

The reduction in numbers is a side effect of the current ratios of the existing system. So ideally they will boost the maximum number on the other end to increase the total number of skilled visas, instead of just cutting the relatives portion (as the bill proposed in August). To me that's the best of both worlds. It's possible it will may be tweaked as it goes through congress or it may have to wait for a future bill, but at least the basic framework is being laid out for a better system similar to Canada/Australia.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#168
post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's already happening in Canada. All the major US IT companies started establishing large offices here. All the announcements happened after Trump got elected.

If the wages weren't complete shit I'd move back tomorrow.

If the wages weren't complete shit they wouldn't set up offices in Canada(well and the tax breaks help too).

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#169
post #13

Conservatives may generally view this as "good" regardless of the impact because (according to arguments I've heard) "the less globalization, the better." In my mind, however, it boils down to two pretty simple points: Given that (1) the US is lagging far behind every developed nation in education, and higher education in the US is prohibitively expensive compared to other developed nations, (2) the only way for the…

We just came off an 8-year period of significant unemployment. People are understandably skittish about anything that prevents citizens from getting jobs - especially when people are being imported precisely to fill available domestic jobs. Your reductions don't address the fact that we DID invest in domestic talent, and would like to put that investment to use. Now that national unemployment has plummeted to remarka…

> We just came off an 8-year period of significant unemployment.

https://www.thebalance.com/unemployment-rate-by-year-3305506

Peak unemployment during that period just after the 2008 financial crisis was still just under 10%, and it has been steadily decreasing since then.

It's not exactly nothing and it sucks if you are one of the unemployed but an unemployment ratio between 5 and 10% is actually not all that bad.

Significant unemployment were 2009, 2010 and before that 1982. By 2013 unemployment in the US was already back down below 7%, historically speaking nothing special, somewhere between 3 and 7% is fairly normal.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

#170
post #141
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would also assume that few here would take issue with merit-based immigration policies. The problem is arguably whether you trust Trump to actually do what he says, especially when he uses immigration policy as a dog whistle when preaching to his core vote.

> The problem is arguably whether you trust Trump to actually do what he says Is Trump even the one doing it? I thought this was the job of congress?... this seems well out of the scope of an executive order. Hopefully they do end up copying Canada/Australia directly because they've both performed really well and there is plenty of data there to support it. Instead of the usual series of minor bandaids on top of the…

Given final say on any bill rests with Trump himself (signature/veto when it reaches his desk etc), I'm not sure this distinction matters all that much.

At any rate, the president is entirely free to propose a bill, and assuming he can find a congress person to back it (I'm guessing he knows a guy who knows a guy...), can have introduced in Congress. Even if Trump's team doesn't draft a new bill, the lobbying power of the Whitehouse alone on legislation in congress is huge - the threat of a veto alone is a compelling stick.

I think its absurd to think Trump/the executive wouldn't influence the shape of any proposed legislation in this area, when its been such a public part of his campaign.

Post reply on HN