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Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by weberc2 »

karmelapple wrote: post #83
wyattk wrote: post #9

I want to take a moment to reflect on what a great community HN has. It never ceases to amaze me. The link is from the CS department at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, IA. It sounds obscure, but that's my hometown. I grew up a couple blocks away from it. I sat in on classes there. I even know the author's family. That's small town Iowa, for ya. I never thought I would see anything related to that on h…

Another (former) Iowan here - fully agree how great it is that so many different places are represented here. I ran a few meetups while in Iowa, and one of the common themes myself and the other organizers tried to help everyone feel is that these days, location really is less important than ever before. It may help to know people face to face in the Bay Area or other major metropolitan for some opportunities, but no…

I left Cedar Falls precisely because I became the subject matter expert within a couple years of graduating--there simply weren't many people to learn from. There were people around me who were experienced in lots of other related areas which were rapidly declining in importance and frankly didn't excite me. Besides, it was really hard to find people who were as interested in learning as I was--I was mostly viewed with suspicion because I didn't put in the bare minimum and go home, and I quickly realized that wasn't the sort of team I wanted to work on. Further, there weren't any companies in the area that were doing exciting things, probably due to a dearth of talent in the area (not to knock on rural folks; assuming the distribution of talent is the same in rural areas as urban areas, the hiring pool is much larger in an area where people are more densely populated, and this is ignoring multipliers like the draw of talent to large cities and the improved rate of learning when your talent pool has improved access to other smart people).

I guess this is to say how you view this depends on whether you interested in being a local subject matter expert or a global subject matter expert.

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by weberc2 »

andythreads wrote: post #152
wyattk wrote: post #9

I want to take a moment to reflect on what a great community HN has. It never ceases to amaze me. The link is from the CS department at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, IA. It sounds obscure, but that's my hometown. I grew up a couple blocks away from it. I sat in on classes there. I even know the author's family. That's small town Iowa, for ya. I never thought I would see anything related to that on h…

The internet startup[1] I work at is based out of Cedar Falls. Our product team is in Minneapolis (including myself), but the CEO/sales is in CF. I'm down there all the time! I've actually grown to like it quite a bit. Cool little town. http://www.threadsculture.com/

Ha! I have direct connections to half of the logos in your "case studies" page. Small world.

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by lobf »

RingwormOne wrote: post #157
lobf wrote: post #154

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What ethnic / socioeconomic background are most people here from? You're really grabbing on to physical location to justify ignoring the fact that that person is perfectly representative of most of the folks here.

You're really grabbing on to race and socioeconomic status to justify ignoring the fact that that person is not representative of most of the folks here. See? We can both play these games.

Race and socioeconomic status are two of the most important factors in your probability of success in the US. Ignoring them makes you look willfully ignorant of your privileged position in society. There's little / no correlation between geographic location and success, at least not relative to race and socioeconomic status...

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by RingwormOne »

lobf wrote: post #163
RingwormOne wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're really grabbing on to race and socioeconomic status to justify ignoring the fact that that person is not representative of most of the folks here. See? We can both play these games.

Race and socioeconomic status are two of the most important factors in your probability of success in the US. Ignoring them makes you look willfully ignorant of your privileged position in society. There's little / no correlation between geographic location and success, at least not relative to race and socioeconomic status...

And I'm happy to see someone from Iowa posting here. If someone from a different minority group posted here I would be happy as well. There are many ways to be diverse.

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by throwaway7645 »

hoosieree wrote: post #149
throwaway7645 wrote: post #136

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The author of Kdb is Arthur Whitney. He is another extreme programmer who has had a huge influence on fintech and made boat loads of cash I would presume.

Just want to say that it's awesome to see Rebol/Red and K mentioned in a comment thread about Chuck Moore. It's interesting because Rebol and K have almost totally opposite philosophies about how software should be structured. K emphasizes flat namespaces and leans heavily on the primitives and only a handful of functions. Rebol encourages writing DSLs to fit the language to the problem. But despite different philoso…

Agreed. Very different, yet similar philosophies if you squint hard enough. Aaron Hsu did an AMA on here and put it on YouTube showing his GPU compiler for APL code written in APL. The entire thing is maybe 5-10 pages of one-liners and looks darn elegant to me. During his lengthy talk on HN he shows you don't need zillions of abstractions if you can keep all the code in a few screens. He uses Notepad (not Notepad++ even) as an editor too. To me, in a way that makes sense as having to use a gargantuan IDE to manage your gargantuan code base seems wrong on some level. Forth users just take that sentiment one step further and only even include the primitives in their language that they need.

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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throwaway7645 wrote: post #89
feelin_googley wrote: post #16

The "Do Not Speculate!" idea reminds me of the practice of delivering "the kitchen sink" when only a small program that does one thing would suffice. It reminds me of when, e.g., a 1990s-2000s Windows user needed a small program that does one thing, and in order to get it, the download from Microsoft was an installer with hundreds of megabytes of unneeded binary files. It was not possible to download only the single…

This is what I like about Rebol & Red...pity Rebol didn't catch on more. The full Rebol download is a single executable (no real install) and can build GUIs, and so much more in a very small amount of code.

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Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by lawrenceyan »

ham_burgers wrote: post #81
wyattk wrote: post #9

I want to take a moment to reflect on what a great community HN has. It never ceases to amaze me. The link is from the CS department at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls, IA. It sounds obscure, but that's my hometown. I grew up a couple blocks away from it. I sat in on classes there. I even know the author's family. That's small town Iowa, for ya. I never thought I would see anything related to that on h…

I work in the fast food industry, don't code, and I'm not even particularly interested in tech, but spend hours reading the articles and comments here.

Learn to program. It will be a worthwhile investment into your personal growth and self-development.

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by exikyut »

throwaway7645 wrote: post #136
exikyut wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kdb (the weird line-noise functional programming language) is similar. The trial version is a 200KB binary.

The author of Kdb is Arthur Whitney. He is another extreme programmer who has had a huge influence on fintech and made boat loads of cash I would presume.

Yes; see the 5th-last paragraph of http://archive.vector.org.uk/art10501320 for a concrete answer to this. (Getting to said paragraph by way of all the paragraphs before it is, of course, highly recommended.)

Yes, I'm mad that the subject of the above URL is still, to quote the article, "dark."

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by eggy »

throwaway7645 wrote: post #136
exikyut wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kdb (the weird line-noise functional programming language) is similar. The trial version is a 200KB binary.

The author of Kdb is Arthur Whitney. He is another extreme programmer who has had a huge influence on fintech and made boat loads of cash I would presume.

He also helped in the development of J with Roger Hui and Ken Iverson, the creator of APL, by writing a one page interpreter for J over an afternoon or two. I am always drawn to prototyping and writing solutions in J. I am not a web developer, but for mathematics and statistics, it is amazing. I've always wondered how similar and different K and J are on a deep level, but I have always stuck with J.

Re: Chuck Moore, Extreme Programmer

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Post by lobf »

RingwormOne wrote: post #164
lobf wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Race and socioeconomic status are two of the most important factors in your probability of success in the US. Ignoring them makes you look willfully ignorant of your privileged position in society. There's little / no correlation between geographic location and success, at least not relative to race and socioeconomic status...

And I'm happy to see someone from Iowa posting here. If someone from a different minority group posted here I would be happy as well. There are many ways to be diverse.

You have kind of an absurd definition of diversity.
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