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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by bklaasen »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #42
SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #9

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Not to mention HiDPI problems and serious issues with the proprietary nvidia driver. The situation is improving all the time though and hopefully this should mark the beginning of some good times for Wayland. More choice is always a good thing. Of course, the option is right there on the login screen to start an X session instead, if Wayland doesn't work for you.

No issues with Gnome 3.26 HiDPI on Wayland using nvidia driver. I was running alpha version of 17.10 on my Dell XPS with minimal issues

Which generation XPS is that?

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jhasse »

fmoralesc wrote: post #152
jhasse wrote: post #71

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Did it crash yet? That has been the blocker for me so far, since on wayland GNOME Shell crashes will bring down the whole session.

gnome-shell in 3.26 can be reloaded, so in case it crashes it shouldn't take down the session anymore, I think.

Do you have a source? The bug report about it is still open AFAIK.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by repomies6999 »

gigatexal wrote: post #154
oblio wrote: post #77

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> Python 2 is no longer installed by default. Python 3 has been updated to 3.6. And so it begins. I think/hope that the next RHEL will do the same thing, at which point the final nail will be in Py2's coffin.

I love, love, love python. I am probably irrational in my affection for the language. But it's python3 that I know and will work in python2 if needed but I think python2 needs to die a quick death.

I have been using python2 for veey long time and a lot of software that I've written is made with it and is providing consistingly value to me. I have no idea why these people want to kill the technology that has brought so much value and joy to my life.

If you like python3, great for you. But why do you want to kill python2 if other people are happy with it?

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by fmoralesc »

jhasse wrote: post #162
fmoralesc wrote: post #152

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gnome-shell in 3.26 can be reloaded, so in case it crashes it shouldn't take down the session anymore, I think.

Do you have a source? The bug report about it is still open AFAIK.

Well, myself. I am using the wayland session and just restarted the shell with r.

EDIT: Well, I just checked and it turns out I am not running the wayland session! I will have to investigate why...

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by moonbug »

rmu09 wrote: post #50
revelation wrote: post #33

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This is just such a shambles. Great idea number 1: let's put all the functionality into one command line tool, and we'call it ip for ... "internet protocol"? Why is this ip tool managing my ethernet network card? Great idea number 2: for this powerful swiss army knife, only a special syntax will do where we repeat the name of an argument before the argument value. To make sure no one can use it's functionality with l…

This tool is hardly new, I think it was introduced back in the nineties. http://linux-ip.net/gl/ip-cref/ says April 14, 1999.

and it was a pain in the arse then, and it's no better now.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jbicha »

jejones3141 wrote: post #160

I read that Canonical didn't like having to fiddle with lightdm to make it work and play well with GNOME shell, and thus Ubuntu 17.10 comes with gdm3. My upgrade went south, so I installed Kubuntu. It's using sddm, which I understand is the successor to kdm. Now I find that Gnome under X just hangs. Does GNOME shell require either gdm or something hacked as Canonical did lightdm to work?

Make sure that gir1.2-gdm-1.0 is installed. I think the dependency was accidentally dropped.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by jejones3141 »

jbicha wrote: post #166
jejones3141 wrote: post #160

I read that Canonical didn't like having to fiddle with lightdm to make it work and play well with GNOME shell, and thus Ubuntu 17.10 comes with gdm3. My upgrade went south, so I installed Kubuntu. It's using sddm, which I understand is the successor to kdm. Now I find that Gnome under X just hangs. Does GNOME shell require either gdm or something hacked as Canonical did lightdm to work?

Make sure that gir1.2-gdm-1.0 is installed. I think the dependency was accidentally dropped.

That did the trick; thank you!

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

repomies6999 wrote: post #163
gigatexal wrote: post #154

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I love, love, love python. I am probably irrational in my affection for the language. But it's python3 that I know and will work in python2 if needed but I think python2 needs to die a quick death.

I have been using python2 for veey long time and a lot of software that I've written is made with it and is providing consistingly value to me. I have no idea why these people want to kill the technology that has brought so much value and joy to my life. If you like python3, great for you. But why do you want to kill python2 if other people are happy with it?

Tough question but a good portion likely has to do with the divisiveness of the ecosystem. A bit selfish of the 3’ers but the utilitarian viewpoint is that if everyone comes to the same ecosystem then everyone can benefit.

I offer no opinion whatsoever on which is better, only that it’s probably better for everyone if dev efforts are not split between two versions of the same language.

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by Bromskloss »

gigatexal wrote: post #159
Bromskloss wrote: post #158

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I've been looking forward to Python 4 for a long time now.

Has there been anything posted about it? I'd be interested to read up on it.

I have heard no one even mention what it might be like. I'm just thinking that I liked the change from Python 2 to Python 3, so I'm hoping for more things to enjoy. :-)

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark released

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Post by gkya »

runeks wrote: post #146
joelthelion wrote: post #40

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I've been using Gnome on Wayland as my primary desktop on Arch and Fedora for several months if not a year. It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg, and most of the issues have now been resolved. You might need to find new ways to accomplish a few tasks, though. But I can attest it works. Edit: fix desktop/compositor confusion

> It's a marked improvement over Gnome/Xorg […] How so?

Just after the upgrade I can say that everything looks crisper. This might be because I just recompiled Emacs for this week (I follow master), or because default fonts changed, or because Gnome 3.24 -> 3.26, or because Wayland, or some of all of these; but there is a noticeable change. And Gnome is way more snappier. I'm really pleased after first reboot.
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