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I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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I was once in a plane crash in which the wing of our small plane hit the mast of a sailboat that was motoring in front of the runway and we didnt see it. We impacted the seawall and flipped over onto land and slid upside down a few hundred feet. The author's description of both not feeling his injuries until he tried to move as well as his own recognition of not being dead were spot on. I would have described it exac…

Wow, where did this happen - which airport?

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Earlier this year on a white water rafting expedition I had the misfortune of falling out of the raft and into a series of category 5 rapids. It was absolute chaos. The force of large bodies of moving water is astounding. Any notion of "swimming to safety" is ludicrous. A more accurate description is "being washed to safety" because you have no control over the larger movements of your body. I've heard in avalanches…

Might I ask why you go white water rafting? It baffles me as it seems like a really dangerous hobby. I actually understand skydiving, bungee jumping, or climbing Everest, because they are controlled risks, but white water rafting seems very chaotic.

Controlled risks, bah humbug! If you think Everest is a controlled risk, do not go there, you are severely underestimating the risks and you would die.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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They only use it internally, when communicating to passengers, they still use metres (because nobody has any idea what a foot looks like in France).

Not actually true; French pilots and ATC use feet too (whichever language you're speaking). French influence on aviation has been strong since the beginning (hence all the French words - aileron, fuselage, décalage, etc), but the unit of height/altitude is one where the Americans set the standard. (Source: I fly an American-designed, French-built aeroplane to/through France semi-regularly.)

It's true about French influence. Even the weather observation reports used worldwide, METARS, use abbreviations like "BR" for fog, because the French word for fog is "brouillard".

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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I was once in a plane crash in which the wing of our small plane hit the mast of a sailboat that was motoring in front of the runway and we didnt see it. We impacted the seawall and flipped over onto land and slid upside down a few hundred feet. The author's description of both not feeling his injuries until he tried to move as well as his own recognition of not being dead were spot on. I would have described it exac…

Wow, where did this happen - which airport?

Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Ah I didn't know that, so pilots in France use feet as a measure for aviation altitude? PS: wow, interesting https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_en_aviation

They only use it internally, when communicating to passengers, they still use metres (because nobody has any idea what a foot looks like in France).

Interestingly enough, as a French and although I flew very little as a pilot, I can't seem to internally make sense of the metric system unit for altitude and as a passenger on those planes I always convert to feet.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Earlier this year on a white water rafting expedition I had the misfortune of falling out of the raft and into a series of category 5 rapids. It was absolute chaos. The force of large bodies of moving water is astounding. Any notion of "swimming to safety" is ludicrous. A more accurate description is "being washed to safety" because you have no control over the larger movements of your body. I've heard in avalanches…

Might I ask why you go white water rafting? It baffles me as it seems like a really dangerous hobby. I actually understand skydiving, bungee jumping, or climbing Everest, because they are controlled risks, but white water rafting seems very chaotic.

As someone who has done three of four (not done Everest, but have done highest peak in continental US), I think I can fairly say you have a misconception of the risk with white water rafting. The risk of being thrown overboard is high, but the risk of death is much lower in my opinion than skydiving. Sure, a tandem jump is pretty safe, but progressing further is barely what I would call a “controlled” risk. With BASE jumping for example, it’s not really an “if” you’ll die, but rather a “when”. I’ve had many friends die (part of why I won’t do it myself) from doing BASE jumps.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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From cliff jumping 13 meters and nearing ripping my hip out of it's socket by having my feet ever so _slighty_ apart, I can't imagine the amount of injury from 15,000 feet.

Fun fact, there is no difference between 2000 feet (about 600 meters) and 15,000 feet, because of terminal velocity. It also means that in a free fall spreading your body out horizontally to increase the drag forces, then re positioning just before landing would be the optimal choice. Not that you think of that in a free fall, but the physics are there.

I wonder if there's some way you can actually do the opposite: First, gain all the speed you can (speed is energy). Then before you hit the ground, do a kind of "flare", where you make your body into a wing, and decrease your downward energy. Do this right to the point of stall (as close as you can get) to reduce kinetic energy when you hit.

I know it'd be basically impossible for a human to actually do this perfectly. But I wonder, in theory, how much one could reduce the impact energy. Maybe you could hit at 50mph instead of 120mph.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Earlier this year on a white water rafting expedition I had the misfortune of falling out of the raft and into a series of category 5 rapids. It was absolute chaos. The force of large bodies of moving water is astounding. Any notion of "swimming to safety" is ludicrous. A more accurate description is "being washed to safety" because you have no control over the larger movements of your body. I've heard in avalanches…

> How he managed to survive is astonishing. Finding his knife, assessing the situation, and acting before being pulled under while injured almost defies my imagination. Riveting read.

Did this happen to you or someone else? You switch from first to third person without explanation. "Riveting read" seems like a weird conclusion.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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I am a non-american, and understand the concept of 15000 feet. :) The only countries not to use feet as a measure of altitude for aviation purposes are China, DPRK and Russia. They use metres.

Ah I didn't know that, so pilots in France use feet as a measure for aviation altitude? PS: wow, interesting https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_en_aviation

The ~30 meters vertical separation between planes lead to a nice round system for measuring everything in feet, or a cumbersome one in meters.

Aviation also measure speed in knots, and distances in nautical miles. But those don't have good reasons to be kept.

Re: I Fell 15,000 Feet and Lived

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Wow, where did this happen - which airport?

Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

WTH was a sailboat mast doing in front of the runway? Was the pilot performing a short approach?
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