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OnePlus OxygenOS built-in analytics

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Re: OnePlus OxygenOS built-in analytics

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Post by kbart »

_qjt0 wrote: post #156
mxstbr wrote: post #43

TL;DR: OxygenOS tracks your every activity in every app, and there's no settings to disable the tracking. To get rid of it you have to uninstall the tracking app via adb: (no root access needed) $ adb start-server $ adb shell > pm uninstall -k --user 0 net.oneplus.odm Note: This requires adb to be installed, your phone to be connected and USB debugging to be enabled.

I wonder if there's an opportunity to reduce the privacy problem by having the phones log data to an intermediate server. The intermediate server will be open-source and run by a trusted entity (EFF, Apache Foundation, whoever). OnePlus will be able to submit whatever code they want to this server after a public privacy-focused code review by the trusted entity. The proxy server will aggregate and anonymise the data…

Who will pay for that and how are you going to force manufacturers to participate in such scheme? Most people "have nothing to hide" and don't care about privacy, so they won't be happy as manufacturers pass cost of this to them. More realistic way (though not easy too) is to install a firewall on a proxy all traffic is run through and filter suspicious/unknown connections.

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Post by radium3d »

djhworld wrote: post #129
snvzz wrote: post #123

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OP3 owner, I love my device. But I run LineageOS. It's far better than OxygenOS, which trouble knows no end.

Do you void the warranty if you install Lineage?

No. You can relock your bootloader and reflash the stock rom provided by OnePlus if you wish.

Re: OnePlus OxygenOS built-in analytics

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Post by pas »

zeveb wrote: post #152
sprayk wrote: post #151

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You can definitely install your own CA certs on Android. https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/2844832?hl=en Only problem is that you have to explicitly enable the use of custom CA certs in your app, so it won't work with Google apps as you say. Is there no other way to get at this traffic? Possibly something at the application level, like throwing a debugger at the calls that are originating the telemetry traffic?

> Only problem is that you have to explicitly enable the use of custom CA certs in your app, so it won't work with Google apps as you say. Or any other app doing nefarious things. Enabling apps to ignore user-installed certs is flat-out evil an inexcusable.

Evil, herp derp. It was done by malware, to steal user data, hence the change.

If you want to log Google data traffic, you have to put a CA cert into the system cert store (needs root access).

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Post by Nullabillity »

api wrote: post #87
amelius wrote: post #48

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This makes me wonder: why can we have a top of the line desktop PC which is totally libre, but not a smartphone? What has gone wrong?

Smart phones followed a very different path of evolution that was heavily influenced by cell carriers. Apple had to fight really hard to get the iPhone carried, and to do that they had to lock it down to comply with what I am sure were a long laundry list of carrier demands. This was the era of flip phones when carriers had full control. They really didn't want to lose that control. I doubt a company smaller and less…

> Apple had to fight really hard to get the iPhone carried, and to do that they had to lock it down to comply with what I am sure were a long laundry list of carrier demands.

Wat? It was easy to install third-party jars on my Nokia S60 devices, both before and after the iPhone, no carrier approval required.

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Post by SimplyUnknown »

ProAm wrote: post #144
princekolt wrote: post #59

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Yes, but be careful: > Personal information will only be shared by Apple to provide or improve our products, services and advertising; it will not be shared with third parties for their marketing purposes. This goes in contrast with most tech companies such as Amazon and Google. However, Apple does have the horrible clause: > in the event of a reorganization, merger, or sale we may transfer any and all personal infor…

Does Apple define what 'Personal Information' is or encompasses?

The EU does that for them. It's anything that can be traced to an individual. Same goes for 'handling personal information'; it's literally everything you can think of where PI comes into play.

Re: OnePlus OxygenOS built-in analytics

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Post by Feniks »

CharlesDodgson wrote: post #13

I have absolutely no doubt there is some data centre in Shenzhen full of my Huawei phone metrics! I think this is the biggest issue with android phones, they are full of potential data leakages like this. Privacy is definitely a concern and a pull factor to getting an iPhone again. There is a lot to be said for a company that is focused on hardware and not on serving content to that device. Then again it's also a rea…

Apple cares about your data, but they just lock you in. That's how people perceive Apple cares about your privacy.

I bet Apple at this point knows FAR more about their users than Google or OnePlus does.

"There is a lot to be said for a company that is focused on hardware and not on serving content to that device"

Lol you can't even install anything on your iPhone without passing through Apple. Come on. And an iPhone comes with a ton of nice shiny Apple apps. They are serving Safari, iTunes and Apple wallet.

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Post by Feniks »

api wrote: post #140
sampo wrote: post #135

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> I doubt a company smaller and less influential than Apple could possibly have gotten a full-fledge computer of any kind onto cell networks. In Europe, Nokia did it in 1996, 11 years before Apple's iPhone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9000_Communicator

Europe has always had more open cell networks.

This is true. In my country all phones have always been unlocked. Your mobile operator just sends you a SIM card that you can then put in any phone you want. Mobile operators don't mess with hardware. Thank god- OEM bloatware is enough.

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Post by zamber »

amelius wrote: post #48
CharlesDodgson wrote: post #13

I have absolutely no doubt there is some data centre in Shenzhen full of my Huawei phone metrics! I think this is the biggest issue with android phones, they are full of potential data leakages like this. Privacy is definitely a concern and a pull factor to getting an iPhone again. There is a lot to be said for a company that is focused on hardware and not on serving content to that device. Then again it's also a rea…

This makes me wonder: why can we have a top of the line desktop PC which is totally libre, but not a smartphone? What has gone wrong?

There were partially libre attempts - Mer and Maemo.

Now Librem 5 from Purism got fully funded (1), so in a year you'll have a fully free phone.

The market for a fully free phone is there but it's small(ish). Hopefully they'll get a piece of the pie with their anti-walled-garden mission statement.

1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15436716

Re: OnePlus OxygenOS built-in analytics

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Post by Feniks »

SimplyUnknown wrote: post #41
princekolt wrote: post #9

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https://www.apple.com/privacy/

The sales page is nice and all, but this is the page that matters: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ . TL;DR: we collect the shit out of you and share it with third parties as we see fit. If you disagree you will get a crippled experience

Daily reminder people are using Apple for everything including their daily banking with Apple pay and Apple wallet.

Apple is sitting on a gold mine. Meanwhile OnePlus is just a phone maker. Something to keep in mind.

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