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Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by nl »

dmix wrote: post #109
c3534l wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is this verifiable evidence so I can actually verify it?

It's only been ~1yr since the election. You have to be patient for big cases like this. Until then we have to trust the US intelligence community. Their messaging has been consistent that their arch-enemy they've been competing with for decades pulled a fast one on them and was unexpectedly effective at influencing an election. Government sources have been leaking a bunch of stuff to the press in the meantime. This w…

It's odd that people keep saying to trust the intel agencies, since much of the best research on the propaganda side is done in academia, and the data is out there.

Here's a Tableau of the influence of just 6 of the ~200 recently banned Russian-run groups on Facebook: https://public.tableau.com/profile/d1gi#!/vizhome/FB4/TotalR...

Here's the raw data: https://data.world/d1gi/missing-fb-posts-w-share-stats

Here's some analysis: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/10/05...

I also like http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/

If you want to look at research, Oxford is doing some good work in this area. They have a whole research group on computational propaganda: http://comprop.oii.ox.ac.uk/category/publishing/academic-art...

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by killjoywashere »

zghst wrote: post #131
killjoywashere wrote: post #70

I'm going to go out on a limb and propose a hypothesis: The DoD's hyper-innefficient contracting system rewards DC insiders and effectively limits the department's ability to invest where investment is needed while draining the public coffers of unfathomable amounts of money. The DoD's hyper-ineffective personnel system inhibits personal development while at the same time making it nearly impossible to move laterally…

The power on the inside is more of a effective deterrent and great asset than a deficit for the DoD. Economically how it works is that the DoD secures assets and locations around the world relating to the means of production of consumer components. American interests, especially the interests of the American consumer are definitely protected and represented for. Where this model has failed for us is put a huge defici…

> not operate in the background on American soil against hundreds, thousands of nation-state and criminal organizations.

Actually, this space, this sphere of influence, is well recognized and the problem has been well described by the senior folks involved since at least 2001:

* Ash Carter (SecDef) Keeping the Edge: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/keeping-edge

* Michael Hayden (chief of NSA and CIA): Playing to the Edge: https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Edge-American-Intelligence-Te...

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by state_less »

peoplewindow wrote: post #151
state_less wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don Jr. personally admitted to meeting with Russians. [1] http://www.npr.org/2017/07/12/536782047/donald-trump-jr-admi...

"A lawyer who happened to be Russian" is not the same thing as "the Russians", the latter implying some sort of official Russian government conspiracy - presumably at vast scale, to affect something as large as the US election. I too would like to see this verifiable evidence. So far all evidence presented of so-called Russian "interference" isn't even remotely credible.

> I too would like to see this verifiable evidence.

He went to the meeting because Russians said they have dirt on Hilary and admitted it.

Also, There was at least one Russian troll farm targeting voters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/facebook-says-it-sol...

Russia also has a history of influencing elections in other countries.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by Haydos585x2 »

peoplewindow wrote: post #154
pohl wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our media and our government lied to generate a case for war. And I feel lately that they are now trying to build a case for some sort of conflict, presumably cold, against Russia Our current president has never had a critical thought enter his mind and not have it escape his lips, or his tweeting fingertips – yet Russia (and Putin in particular) have never been in his crosshairs. I think that this fact directly cont…

He's not criticised New Zealand either, as far as I know. So what? What Trump disrespects tends to be predictable: not tough enough, too friendly to foreigners, not conservative enough etc. Putin happens to be tough, conservative and not especially friendly to foreigners, all attributes that Trump respects and yet which are not very common amongst world leaders. It helps that Putin doesn't speak English and - fantasi…

I think you'll find Russia is doing a bit world wide.

They've just finished up the Zapad war games again, denounced Georgia having war games with the US. Getting back into Uzbekistan now that Karimov is gone. Russian companies are now supplying internet and phone service to North Koreans. Crimea is still going on with continuing threats to Ukranian sovereignty. Russian gov has just committed more funds to Kalningrad and the Far East. Two regions with some fairly significant strategic value. Russian has been funding the Venezuelan regime and doing so in a way that dodges US sanctions. Russian government is attempting to put Belarusian military units under their control. Russians have alledgedly been involved with the Catalonian independence movement.

This is not to say other countries aren't busy too but I think it's false to believe that Putin and the Russian government is only involved in Syria.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by cl289 »

WWCS (What would Clapper Say):

Nov 15, 2017, to Congress: "I can categorically deny that there were any leaks of this nature during my tenure as Director of National Intelligence."

June 22, 2020: "Well, yes, I did say at the time that I denied it. But I said 'categorically denied'- that is to say, under certain conditions, or categories, this could be denied. That is what I meant and I stand by that. I also used the word 'can,' which is a sort of conditional; look it up in your grammar books. I did not say 'I do deny,' but 'I can deny.' There are conditions that might allow one to deny this assertion: i.e. what exactly is a Russian, what does it mean to leak, or to have leaked, or to have an inadvertant leak. That is what I meant and I stand by that also."

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Post by travmatt »

peoplewindow wrote: post #151
state_less wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don Jr. personally admitted to meeting with Russians. [1] http://www.npr.org/2017/07/12/536782047/donald-trump-jr-admi...

"A lawyer who happened to be Russian" is not the same thing as "the Russians", the latter implying some sort of official Russian government conspiracy - presumably at vast scale, to affect something as large as the US election. I too would like to see this verifiable evidence. So far all evidence presented of so-called Russian "interference" isn't even remotely credible.

"A lawyer who happened to be Russian" is an extraordinarily significant misrepresentation of who Natalia Veselnitskaya is.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by spaceseaman »

nl wrote: post #161
dmix wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only been ~1yr since the election. You have to be patient for big cases like this. Until then we have to trust the US intelligence community. Their messaging has been consistent that their arch-enemy they've been competing with for decades pulled a fast one on them and was unexpectedly effective at influencing an election. Government sources have been leaking a bunch of stuff to the press in the meantime. This w…

It's odd that people keep saying to trust the intel agencies, since much of the best research on the propaganda side is done in academia, and the data is out there. Here's a Tableau of the influence of just 6 of the ~200 recently banned Russian-run groups on Facebook: https://public.tableau.com/profile/d1gi#!/vizhome/FB4/TotalR... Here's the raw data: https://data.world/d1gi/missing-fb-posts-w-share-stats Here's some…

Wow I wasn't aware this was so directly available.

Thanks!

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by peoplewindow »

Haydos585x2 wrote: post #164
peoplewindow wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's not criticised New Zealand either, as far as I know. So what? What Trump disrespects tends to be predictable: not tough enough, too friendly to foreigners, not conservative enough etc. Putin happens to be tough, conservative and not especially friendly to foreigners, all attributes that Trump respects and yet which are not very common amongst world leaders. It helps that Putin doesn't speak English and - fantasi…

I think you'll find Russia is doing a bit world wide. They've just finished up the Zapad war games again, denounced Georgia having war games with the US. Getting back into Uzbekistan now that Karimov is gone. Russian companies are now supplying internet and phone service to North Koreans. Crimea is still going on with continuing threats to Ukranian sovereignty. Russian gov has just committed more funds to Kalningrad…

Russians have alledgedly been involved with the Catalonian independence movement

Lol, here we go ahead. And where's the evidence of that?

I mean damn, those darn Ruskies! Trump, Brexit and Catalonia too! Is there anything happening in western politics that isn't their fault?

Wait, I thought the reason Russia allegedly did something to support Leave in the Brexit referendum was because they wanted countries to leave the EU, but the Catalonian independence movement wants to remain in the EU. So what's the logic there?

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Post by codedokode »

mncharity wrote: post #110
dreamfactored wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to take it that you've never done public sector contracting. The security rules are in reality less 007 and more school library, and this is totally believable. There is another story in the news now about soldiers smartphones being hacked in Eastern Europe. The troops are therefore made to go through water every day but some of them just put their phones in condoms. Defense contractors aren't even state em…

> Russia [...] controlled states [...] e.g. bring your passport to buy a train ticket to another town That's a blast from the past. So, for those who haven't seen these, last century there used to be a set of "we're not like them , we have freedom!" examples, which were used in popular dialog to contrast the United States with the Soviet Union. Needing government papers to travel was one. The Soviet people feeling "w…

The reqiurement of an ID to buy a ticket or board a train might be also used to prevent buying out and reselling tickets later. And of course to prevent people who are wanted by the police from travelling.

Re: Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on U.S. Cyber Defense

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Post by beagle3 »

codedokode wrote: post #79

I remember that Kaspersky helped to investigate some of cyberattacks perfromed allegedly by western agencies. Could not these articles be a part of revenge campaign to punish them? And another thought, if we cannot trust foreign AV software, does it mean that every country must have at list one national AV product? Or maybe it would make sence to make some special API for AV software so that it can check files and pr…

Also, every country needs their own operating system; and in fact, also CPU and fab facilities.
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