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Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by OJFord »

tootie wrote: post #47
Tenobrus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs with various extensions as their development environment. It allows the same editing experience across multiple languages. A consistent interface, lack of need for learning many (often very different) IDEs, less proprietary annoyance, many many more options for customization, much easier to port your setup to various platforms, etc. Admittedly I don't think At…

I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.

> Visual Studio...

Isn't it basically an Atom alternative? What makes it, and not Atom, an IDE rather than 'augmented text editor', to borrow GP's phrasing?

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by imtringued »

halfteatree wrote: post #65
echelon wrote: post #43

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What can we reasonably do to stop this? This goes against the very notion of open source.

No, it is not. If you sue people with software patent, I’m happy you lose that ability.

Yeah but the protection only applies to facebook. You can still sue github and everyone else. We can clearly conclude that facebook is selfishly doing this for their own benefit and not because of an altruistic reason like a world without patents.

So in reality what you're saying means: "If you sue facebook with any patent, I’m happy you lose that ability. If you sue any other company other than facebook, I’m happy you keep that ability."

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by PetitPrince »

OJFord wrote: post #161
tootie wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.

> Visual Studio... Isn't it basically an Atom alternative? What makes it, and not Atom, an IDE rather than 'augmented text editor', to borrow GP's phrasing?

I think you are mixing up Visual Studio Code, the free and open source text editor with Visual studio, the closed source and paid IDE.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by cnp »

komali2 wrote: post #101
dkersten wrote: post #87

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> The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs Vim/emacs give a better experience though: they work in a terminal/over ssh and they are FAST and lightweight (memory use). Atom has neither of these properties.

I've been wondering if there's a way to use a more graphical editor over SSH, such as vscode or sublime. I get that I could just "learn VIM" but I already know a shitload of hotkeys for vscode/sublime (they're easily transferred), so I'd rather just use them.

Learning Vim -- even the smallest subset of it -- will continue to pay off years into the future! Then you can combine it with existing Atom/Sublime/VSCode keymaps where need be and really have a nice fusion of functionality.

(VSCode vim mode is A+ btw)

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by ericflo »

judofyr wrote: post #155
Will_Do wrote: post #37

This seems to also have the BSD + Patents beloved by Facebook[0]. The virus is spreading. [0]: https://github.com/facebook-atom/atom-ide-ui/blob/master/PAT...

What is the issue with a free patent grant (which is revoked under certain conditions)? Atom itself is licensed under MIT and doesn't give you a patent grant. EDIT: I understand that it would be best to get a free patent grant, but most open-source projects have no patent grant at all . Why are we not complaining that Microsoft might hold patents for VSCode that they suddenly will start suing companies over?

There exist good licenses that extend a patent grant in a reasonable manner. Facebook went off and wrote their own version that is asymmetrical in their favor. Also, lawyers seem to agree that most OSS that don't include a patent grant are giving an implicit patent grant, and this explicit grant is worse for the developer than the implicit one (while being better for Facebook.)

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by bernadus_edwin »

eduren wrote: post #106
m4tthumphrey wrote: post #56

Why why why why why? What is the point in this? Seriously. Please can someone enlighten me. Atom was bad enough with all of the other text editors are out there and not written in JS, but now you can't even say it's just a text editor. Facebook and the other contributors clearly have too much spare time on their hands. JetBrains. End of.

>What is the point in this? Seriously. Please can someone enlighten me. People want to improve the tools they use. Whether or not you feel they are using their "spare time" correctly, I'm sure they don't care.

I hope fb team put ability auto import on react native flow ide

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by sasmithjr »

OJFord wrote: post #161
tootie wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.

> Visual Studio... Isn't it basically an Atom alternative? What makes it, and not Atom, an IDE rather than 'augmented text editor', to borrow GP's phrasing?

Not sure if they mean Visual Studio or Visual Studio Code. VSCode is an Electron-based editor similar to Atom; full-fat Visual Studio does support many languages by itself, but it's Windows only.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by skybrian »

So Atom is yet another editor supporting the language server protocol. Whether you like Atom or not, that's good news. The more that editors support it, the easier it is for new languages to get a good IDE experience with many editors.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by halfteatree »

imtringued wrote: post #162
halfteatree wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it is not. If you sue people with software patent, I’m happy you lose that ability.

Yeah but the protection only applies to facebook. You can still sue github and everyone else. We can clearly conclude that facebook is selfishly doing this for their own benefit and not because of an altruistic reason like a world without patents. So in reality what you're saying means: "If you sue facebook with any patent, I’m happy you lose that ability. If you sue any other company other than facebook, I’m happy y…

And now github is using the same license too :)
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