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Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by linuxready » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 8:13 AM UTC

the_common_man wrote: post #123

Accacin wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've not seen anyone else talking about mailbox.org. I've been using them for a while after moving away from Fastmail and I'm loving it. Cheap and they're recommeded by https://www.privacytools.io/ .

Why did you move out from fastmail? They are very clear about their privacy policy. (Also who runs privacytools.io? Is he/she reputable?)

I don't think Fastmail is very clear on their privacy policy (see also my other answer below).

Here is an extract from Fastmail TOS:

Fastmail can disclose your info/data if it thinks it's in the interest of the company: "The Service Provider will not monitor, edit, or disclose any personal information about you [...] unless required or allowed by law, or where the Service Provider has a good faith belief that such action is necessary to: [...] (2) protect and defend the rights or property of the Service Provider; [...] (4) act to protect the interests of its members or others [...]

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by Accacin » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 8:29 AM UTC

2ion wrote: post #131

Accacin wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've not seen anyone else talking about mailbox.org. I've been using them for a while after moving away from Fastmail and I'm loving it. Cheap and they're recommeded by https://www.privacytools.io/ .

Their service may be good enough but they are hardly investing enough into their product at the moment. mailbox.org is also not a core product of theirs. Just read through the forums (mostly in German); there are basic features/aspects missing you'd expect with a paid service nowadays like automated DKIM next to bug fixes needed around the web interface, which also can't compare to Fastmail's or Google's mail UI in t…

Well that's fair enough, I basically never use the web interface so I probably haven't ran into those issues. For me it's about where they're located and their customer service more than their interface.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by newscracker » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 9:09 AM UTC

anfogoat wrote: post #74

blunte wrote: post #32

More "progress" from ProtonMail, while they still provide no way to export emails in bulk. They recommend you forward every individual email or print it. The Export feature has been an open request since before March 2015. Another feature which would give users a way to get their mail out of PM is the ability to check mail from a client like Outlook or Thunderbird. That has been an open feature request since before F…

Fastmail's Standard plan also includes up to 600 aliases and up to 100 domains. Even if you've only got one domain you'll use, I can't understand how anyone is willing to tie their main domain to servers that will only let you receive email at 5 different addresses, seems like waste of MX records. I keep hoping for a change but feel thoroughly disappointed each time I periodically check their pricing page.

Fastmail is also terribly expensive if someone wants multiple mailboxes (with separate user credentials) rather than aliases to a single mailbox. With what would cost me several hundred dollars on Fastmail, I can have that and more on Mailbox.org and Posteo.de (the latter without custom domain support).

The disappointment you've felt here is the same I felt with Fastmail. So I decided to move to Posteo instead and save money.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by Manicdave » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 9:48 AM UTC

Accacin wrote: post #85

MollyR wrote: post #34

I'm thinking of switching my business email to protonmail from gmail. Any users like it ? The whole google memo revealed google employees are not as trustworthy as I thought. All the social media talk of blacklists, and inquisition tactics from some of upper management is bad for business. I've already gotten emails from clients asking me to change their business google services to something else (anything else in th…

I've not seen anyone else talking about mailbox.org. I've been using them for a while after moving away from Fastmail and I'm loving it. Cheap and they're recommeded by https://www.privacytools.io/ .

What made you switch to mailbox.org? Curious as am a fastmail user.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by newscracker » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 10:22 AM UTC

captn3m0 wrote: post #46

MollyR wrote: post #34

I'm thinking of switching my business email to protonmail from gmail. Any users like it ? The whole google memo revealed google employees are not as trustworthy as I thought. All the social media talk of blacklists, and inquisition tactics from some of upper management is bad for business. I've already gotten emails from clients asking me to change their business google services to something else (anything else in th…

I've been using migadu.com for a while (nice reliable email hosting for 4$/mo). They even have a nice drawbacks page: https://www.migadu.com/en/drawbacks.html

Their straightforwardness is nice, but I wonder how sustainable the business model is - every paid account has some message send/receive limits but there is no cap on storage. [1] They also say they've been profitable (on the same page), but I'm a bit wary of anything that says "unlimited". Nevertheless, thanks for pointing to this one. It looks very attractive for those who need to use multiple addresses/aliases/domains.

[1]: https://www.migadu.com/en/benefits.html#anchor_storage

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by newscracker » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 10:30 AM UTC

blunte wrote: post #32

More "progress" from ProtonMail, while they still provide no way to export emails in bulk. They recommend you forward every individual email or print it. The Export feature has been an open request since before March 2015. Another feature which would give users a way to get their mail out of PM is the ability to check mail from a client like Outlook or Thunderbird. That has been an open feature request since before F…

These were the reasons I didn't switch to ProtonMail when I wanted to move out of Gmail and others. I didn't want to be stuck with ProtonMail and having to print or save each email one by one if I ever felt that ProtonMail wasn't good enough for me. I had also followed these requests for a little while and was frustrated that IMAP is now in some kind of beta after more than two years of requests. It's still not generally available yet! I really liked the privacy and security bits, but couldn't live with a service with these limitations.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by nicky0 » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 10:30 AM UTC

aioprisan wrote: post #139

vabmit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

And now I'm closing my account. Not the way to respond to a valid customer concern. Good to know this is how you treat customers on a premium service. I'll share it with other customers so they know.

Bet writing that made you feel a real big man.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by blunte » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 10:34 AM UTC

vabmit wrote: post #40

blunte wrote: post #32

More "progress" from ProtonMail, while they still provide no way to export emails in bulk. They recommend you forward every individual email or print it. The Export feature has been an open request since before March 2015. Another feature which would give users a way to get their mail out of PM is the ability to check mail from a client like Outlook or Thunderbird. That has been an open feature request since before F…

Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

I was a visionary paid member when that option became available, and I used the service heavily for a year (until the performance, particularly search and email-list-paging became unreasonably slow... as in multi-second delays).

While performance was going down, I noticed new features being announced. However, one key feature (exporting emails in bulk) was never done. I can assure you that is not rocket science, or rather is not a technical challenge that the brilliant minds who started PM could not overcome.

As for careers, I even made an effort to contact them. Whether I was up to par or not, I suspect my resume and two decades of experience were worthy of a reply, particularly given the quality of bug reporting I had provided during my use.

So honestly, the takeaway feeling was that the company was not well run or organized, which ultimately brings long-term reliability into question. And long-term reliability is very important to anyone doing real work and real business.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by blunte » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 10:38 AM UTC

bartbutler wrote: post #151

ThePhysicist wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exporting e-mails was one of the most requested features as far as I remember ( https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/export-import-... ) and I can understand people getting angry about this. I think Protonmail will have to move a bit faster on this now as holding your customer data "hostage" will no longer be an acceptable practice starting from next year (May 25) due to EU GDPR. So if they want to keep sell…

We are working hard on import and export--they are top priorities, and we are fully aware that they are core features we are currently missing. Keep in mind that pretty much everything is more complex with encrypted email, and that includes import and export. It will be done as soon as we can manage.

You could provide users the option to give up their encryption on the content they wish to export. Chances are, if someone is trying to export their entire account, they are moving away from PM. In that case, encryption is probably not their first concern.

Furthermore, even though PM keeps user emails in encrypted form, virtually all of those emails are unencrypted on one or more servers related to the recipients of those emails. So unfortunately, the encryption is less valuable than we would like.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Post by type0 » Thu, Aug 17, 2017, 11:52 AM UTC

nullwarp wrote: post #142

the_common_man wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also cloudron.io. It has imap/smtp/sieve/catch-all/relaying/aliases/tagging/rest api. Fairly complete. https://cloudron.io/documentation/email/

My only complaint with cloudron is that the auto-update mechanism requires a subscription. You can manually upgrade, but it's awkward and I broke it more than once while trying.

Can you use one subscription to update multiple cloudron VPS servers or would you need to have a separate for each one?